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		<title>Jack Mitchell and The Stycks</title>
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<p>"We auditioned Stevie Ray Vaughn to join Stycks as a favor to Jimmy Vaughn. I could tell he was a natural but we really needed somebody that could play the cover tunes. He was really good but we needed guys that could fit in our style, he was still a little wild. Then a couple of year later we are playing The Cellar and this band called Blackbird comes on and all of a sudden here comes Stevie. Wow. What a change. The guy was an absolute phenom.<br />
That was the week before this happened. We were up at Louann's during the day trying to work in the new guitar player that we had just hired and had left all our equipment up there. This was April 1st of 1971. I get a call from a friend of mine telling me that 'Louanns burned down last night'. I tell him 'that's not funny' thinking its a April Fools joke. Turns out it was true."</p>
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<h2 style="text-align: center;" data-start="3434" data-end="3496"><strong data-start="3437" data-end="3494">Jack Mitchell – Drummer for Stycks, Texas Rose &amp; Lynx</strong></h2>
<h4 data-start="3497" data-end="3600"><strong data-start="3497" data-end="3562">By Paul Heckmann, Executive Director, Memories Inc.</strong></h4>
<p><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-9167 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1970.jpg?resize=720%2C540&#038;ssl=1" alt="Jack on drums for the Stycks at Louann's 1970" width="720" height="540" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1970.jpg?w=720&amp;ssl=1 720w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1970.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1970.jpg?resize=370%2C278&amp;ssl=1 370w" sizes="(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px" /></p>
<em>Jack on drums for the Stycks at Louann&#8217;s 1970, courtesy Jack Mitchell</em>
<h3 data-start="3607" data-end="3626"> </h3>
<h3 data-start="3607" data-end="3626"><strong data-start="3611" data-end="3626">Early Years</strong></h3>
<p data-start="3628" data-end="3782">Jack Mitchell began drumming at R.L. Turner High School with a local band called <em data-start="3709" data-end="3721">The Royals</em>. The experience set the stage for a lifelong musical career.</p>
<h2 data-start="3789" data-end="3816"><strong data-start="3792" data-end="3816">Joining <em data-start="3802" data-end="3814">The Stycks</em></strong></h2>
<p data-start="3818" data-end="3938">The Stycks formed around 1966–67. Jack joined a bit later, replacing drummer Jay Taylor of the Taylor Publishing family.</p>
<h2 data-start="3945" data-end="3979"><strong data-start="3948" data-end="3979">Life Inside the Studio Club</strong></h2>
<p data-start="3981" data-end="4112">Owned by the future founder of Chili’s, <strong data-start="4021" data-end="4037">Larry Lavine</strong>, the Studio Club was a legendary rehearsal spot for Dallas-area musicians.</p>
<p data-start="4114" data-end="4269">Jack recalls practicing alongside Don Henley and Glenn Frey when they were still part of <em data-start="4203" data-end="4213">Felicity</em>—before heading to L.A. and helping form <strong data-start="4254" data-end="4268">the Eagles</strong>.</p>
<h2 data-start="4276" data-end="4306"><strong data-start="4279" data-end="4306">Louann’s: A Dallas Icon</strong></h2>
<div id="attachment_9168" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-9168" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-9168 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1969.jpg?resize=300%2C205&#038;ssl=1" alt="The Stycks at Louann's in 1969" width="300" height="205" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1969.jpg?w=720&amp;ssl=1 720w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1969.jpg?resize=300%2C205&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-9168" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Stycks at Louann&#8217;s in 1969, courtesy Jack Mitchell</em></p></div>
<p data-start="4308" data-end="4422">Jack and The Stycks became regular performers at Louann’s, booked through Showco. Their gigs included opening for:</p>
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<p data-start="4426" data-end="4434">Zephyr</p>
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<p data-start="4437" data-end="4479">Steve Miller Band at McFarlin Auditorium</p>
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<p data-start="4482" data-end="4532">Sonny &amp; Cher (University of Oklahoma &amp; Texas Tech)</p>
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<p data-start="4534" data-end="4623">Jack remembers discovering boxes of tickets from Louann’s shows dating back to the 1940s. However since then they have been lost to history.</p>
<h2 data-start="4630" data-end="4667"><strong data-start="4633" data-end="4667">Auditioning Stevie Ray Vaughan</strong></h2>
<p data-start="4669" data-end="4748">As a favor to Jimmie Vaughan, The Stycks auditioned a young Stevie Ray Vaughan.</p>
<p data-start="4750" data-end="4970">Jack recognized SRV’s natural talent immediately, though his wild style didn’t yet match the band’s needs.<br data-start="4856" data-end="4859" />A few years later, Stevie reappeared onstage with the band <em data-start="4918" data-end="4929">Blackbird</em>, leaving the band stunned at his growth.</p>
<h2 data-start="4977" data-end="5006"><strong data-start="4980" data-end="5006">The 1971 Louann’s Fire</strong></h2>
<p data-start="5008" data-end="5156">On April 1st, 1971, Louann’s burned to the ground in a three-alarm fire.<br data-start="5080" data-end="5083" />The band’s equipment—left overnight in the club—was completely destroyed.</p>
<p data-start="5158" data-end="5344">With their insurance recently dropped, the loss was total.<br data-start="5216" data-end="5219" />But with a gig scheduled for that same night, the band scrambled to replace everything, with help from Arnold &amp; Morgan Music. Jack &#8220;They really helped us out a lot. We had a gig that night and we made it thanks to Arnold and Morgan.&#8221;</p>
<h2 data-start="5351" data-end="5396"><strong data-start="5354" data-end="5396">Larry Lavine, Louann’s, and&#8230; Chili’s</strong></h2>
<p data-start="5398" data-end="5467">Lavine rebuilt Louann’s in a new location and kept the band employed.</p>
<p data-start="5469" data-end="5552">Jack remembers Lavine telling him about a new idea for a burger place: <strong data-start="5540" data-end="5551">Chili’s</strong>. No word on if he made it work of not.</p>
<h2 data-start="5559" data-end="5591"><strong data-start="5562" data-end="5589">The End of <em data-start="5575" data-end="5587">The Stycks</em></strong></h2>
<p data-start="5593" data-end="5800">With members drifting away, the band retired the name and re-formed as <strong data-start="5664" data-end="5678">Texas Rose</strong>, going through several iterations.</p>
<p data-start="5593" data-end="5800">Jack later performed with <strong data-start="5742" data-end="5750">Lynx</strong>, eventually opening for the other Stycks band, the legendary <em data-start="5793" data-end="5799">Styx</em>.</p>
<h2 data-start="5807" data-end="5824"><strong data-start="5810" data-end="5824">Life Today</strong></h2>
<p data-start="5826" data-end="5992">Jack retired from retail after serving as electronics manager at Walmart.<br data-start="5899" data-end="5902" />He now spends his days with his wife, 14 cats, and 3 dogs—“half my day cleaning cat poop.”</p>
<h2 data-start="5999" data-end="6013"><strong data-start="6002" data-end="6013">Closing</strong></h2>
<p data-start="6015" data-end="6096"><strong data-start="6015" data-end="6024">Paul:</strong> <em data-start="6025" data-end="6096">Thanks so much, Jack. Love the story on Larry Lavine and a young Stevie Ray. These were fantastic stories—it&#8217;s been a blast!</em></p>
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		<title>Carter Buschardt &#8220;Rock N Roll Rebel&#8221;</title>
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<p>Noblemen was my first band, then the Fantastics, Flag was also one of the early ones. Hard Rock band playing mostly cover tunes with very few originals. We opened for the Who at Dallas Memorial Auditorium June 1970, also Night Hog. We played mostly at The Cellar in Dallas and Vulcan Gas Company in Austin. Opened for Bubble Puppy at Vulcan Gas Company. I have a poster of that show that says 1970 so it was probably after Flag disbanded. Short lived band. Then Bullwinkle. Good tight cover band. We played the hot spots at the time, The Fog, Soul City, The Rickshaw Club etc. Only notable because the singer was John O'Daniels of Point Blank fame. He and I remained friends &#038; connected until he passed away not long ago.<br />
I guess Blackbird came after that. The original line up was myself, Jack Morgan on guitar. Tom Wagoner on Bass, and Christian Plique on Vocals. We replaced bass player Wagoner with Ric Webb. This was an awesome band. Band was mostly original versions of very old blues tunes. Christian Plique was originally in Blackbird with Stevie Ray Vaughn.</p>
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									<h2 dir="auto" style="text-align: center;">Carter Buschardt</h2>
<h4 dir="auto" style="text-align: center;"><strong>By </strong><strong>Paul Heckmann</strong></h4>
<p dir="auto">In the heart of Texas, where the blues run deep and the amps crank high, Carter Buschardt carved out a life that&#8217;s equal parts grit, glory, and groove. Born in Dallas in 1951, this drummer-turned-music-lifer sat down with me to spill the beans on his journey from garage bands to rubbing shoulders with legends like Stevie Ray Vaughan and Johnny Winter. With a career spanning roller rinks, underground clubs, and near-misses with stardom, Buschardt&#8217;s story is a testament to the raw energy of the &#8217;60s and &#8217;70s Texas rock scene. Buckle up—this ain&#8217;t your grandma&#8217;s bedtime tale.</p>
<div id="attachment_8865" style="width: 832px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8865" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8865 size-large" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Carter-Buschardt-with-Blake-at-Lee-Park-1972.jpg?resize=822%2C1024&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="822" height="1024" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Carter-Buschardt-with-Blake-at-Lee-Park-1972.jpg?w=1571&amp;ssl=1 1571w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Carter-Buschardt-with-Blake-at-Lee-Park-1972.jpg?resize=241%2C300&amp;ssl=1 241w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Carter-Buschardt-with-Blake-at-Lee-Park-1972.jpg?resize=822%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 822w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Carter-Buschardt-with-Blake-at-Lee-Park-1972.jpg?resize=768%2C957&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Carter-Buschardt-with-Blake-at-Lee-Park-1972.jpg?resize=1232%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1232w" sizes="(max-width: 822px) 100vw, 822px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8865" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Carter Buschardt with Blake at Lee Park 1972</em></p></div>
<h3 dir="auto" style="text-align: center;">Sneaking Into the Scene: Early Days and Forbidden Venues</h3>
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<p dir="auto" style="text-align: left;">Growing up in Dallas&#8217;s Webb Chapel neighborhood, young Carter was bitten by the music bug early. &#8220;I began performing at age 14-15 as a singer,&#8221; he recalls, his voice laced with nostalgia. Saving up paper-route cash for a Shure Electro-Voice 664 microphone, he soon traded vocals for sticks when his band&#8217;s drummer floundered. &#8220;We had a crappy drummer, and I kept having to show him how to play, so I just switched to drums.&#8221;</p>
<p dir="auto">By 16, Buschardt was sneaking out for late-night adventures at The Cellar, a notorious spot across from a radio station (he can&#8217;t quite recall if it was KLIF or KBOX). &#8220;There I am, this high school kid, sitting there playing in front of naked women,&#8221; he laughs. The club was ruled by bikers—&#8221;the biker mafia, so to speak&#8221;—and featured a light system signaling when to keep jamming if trouble brewed upstairs. Fights? Sure. But for a wide-eyed teen, it was pure adrenaline.</p>
<p dir="auto">High school at Thomas Jefferson (class of &#8217;69) led to a brief stint at El Centro Junior College, majoring in radio/TV broadcasting—perhaps influenced by his cousin Bud Buschardt, a WFAA and KLIF staple. But spinning records wasn&#8217;t the dream. &#8220;I realized I wanted to actually <em>play</em> the music rather than spinning records of other people&#8217;s music,&#8221; Buschardt says. So, he hit the road, drums in tow.</p>
<p dir="auto">No Dallas tale is complete without Louann&#8217;s, the iconic club where underage kids like Buschardt bent the rules. &#8220;I was too young to get into Louann&#8217;s, although I snuck in there quite often,&#8221; he admits with a grin. Armed with a fake ID and a &#8220;don&#8217;t act guilty&#8221; attitude, his first visit was a game-changer: catching Jeff Beck in 1968. &#8220;The sound wasn&#8217;t all that great, but it was awesome—like The Beatles for me.&#8221; Paul Revere and the Raiders followed, their revolutionary outfits leaving a lasting impression.</p>
<p dir="auto">Louann&#8217;s owner, Ann, ran a tight ship—no bumping and grinding inside. &#8220;She&#8217;d just come out there and break it up,&#8221; Buschardt remembers. Outside in The Garden? That&#8217;s where the real dancing happened. Bands even cut songs short at her request if lyrics got too risqué. &#8220;It was a different time, man,&#8221; he muses.</p>
<h3 dir="auto">Band-Hopping Blues: From Garage to Glory</h3>
<p dir="auto">Buschardt&#8217;s band resume reads like a Texas rock who&#8217;s who. Starting with Noblemen and The Fantastics, he graduated to Flag, a hard-rock outfit opening for The Who in 1970 at Dallas Memorial Auditorium. &#8220;We played mostly at The Cellar in Dallas and Vulcan Gas Company in Austin,&#8221; he says. They even shared the stage with Bubble Puppy—he&#8217;s got the 1970 poster to prove it.</p>
<p dir="auto">Bullwinkle followed, a tight cover band gigging at spots like The Fog and Soul City. Notable? Their singer was John O&#8217;Daniels, later of Point Blank fame. &#8220;He and I remained friends until he passed away not long ago.&#8221;</p>
<div id="attachment_8881" style="width: 275px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8881" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8881 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Blackbird-1.jpg?resize=265%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="265" height="300" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Blackbird-1.jpg?w=706&amp;ssl=1 706w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Blackbird-1.jpg?resize=265%2C300&amp;ssl=1 265w" sizes="(max-width: 265px) 100vw, 265px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8881" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Blackbird, courtesy Carter Buschardt</em></p></div>
<p dir="auto">Then came Blackbird, an &#8220;awesome band&#8221; with Jack Morgan on guitar, Tom Wagoner (later Ric Webb) on bass, and Christian Plique on vocals—who&#8217;d originally formed Blackbird with Stevie Ray Vaughan. &#8220;Mostly original versions of very old blues tunes,&#8221; Buschardt explains.</p>
<div id="attachment_8886" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8886" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8886 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Brat-1976.jpg?resize=300%2C222&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="222" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Brat-1976.jpg?w=948&amp;ssl=1 948w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Brat-1976.jpg?resize=300%2C222&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Brat-1976.jpg?resize=768%2C568&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8886" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Brat, 1976, courtesy Carter Buschardt</em></p></div>
<p dir="auto">A name change to Thunderbird ensued after a motel-key brainstorm in Waco. Gigging at Club Abraxas—a rough-and-tumble hotspot that hosted ZZ Top—they packed the house in &#8217;73-&#8217;74. &#8220;If you were around back then and you knew Club Abraxas, you knew exactly what was going on and who ran the town,&#8221; he says with a knowing wink.</p>
<p dir="auto">Moving to Austin in the early &#8217;70s put Buschardt in the thick of it. &#8220;Stevie used to jam with us all the time. We were like the big dog down there—Mother Earth.&#8221; But when Jimmie Vaughan snagged &#8220;Fabulous Thunderbirds,&#8221; another rebrand hit.</p>
<p dir="auto">Krackerjack was the pinnacle. With roots tied to Tommy Shannon (later Stevie&#8217;s bassist) and John Turner from Johnny Winter&#8217;s crew, this incarnation featured Buschardt, Morgan, Webb, and vocalist Bruce &#8220;Lil Brucie.&#8221; &#8220;Probably the best band lineup-wise and musically, by far,&#8221; he boasts. All originals, crunching Delta blues with a driving beat—they opened for Taj Mahal at The Agora in &#8217;75-&#8217;76 and drew crowds in Austin. &#8220;We were poised for the &#8216;big time,&#8217; but it just wasn&#8217;t to be.&#8221;</p>
<p dir="auto">Drug issues derailed a tour with Mahal. &#8220;Our singer Bruce fell asleep standing at the mike—he passed out,&#8221; Buschardt recounts ruefully. Stardom slipped away amid competition from Stevie, ZZ Top, and others.</p>
<div id="attachment_8893" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8893" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8893 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rosco-23-at-Gerties.jpg?resize=300%2C192&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="192" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rosco-23-at-Gerties.jpg?w=900&amp;ssl=1 900w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rosco-23-at-Gerties.jpg?resize=300%2C192&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rosco-23-at-Gerties.jpg?resize=768%2C492&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8893" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Rosco at Gerties, courtesy Carter Buschardt</em></p></div>
<p dir="auto">Undeterred, Buschardt and Morgan formed Rosco (named after fishing lures at Bachman Lake). &#8220;A great group, some fantastic musicians, but we didn&#8217;t get the record deals.&#8221; Cover bands like Brat and Dicky &amp; The Valentinos followed, mixing ska and reggae. The Cartoons, with JoJo Gunne&#8217;s Jimmy Randall, aimed for a deal but fizzled.</p>
<p dir="auto">A stint with Toby Beau—one-hit wonders of &#8220;My Angel Baby&#8221;—paid well but felt like &#8220;a musical prostitute.&#8221; Living in Austin, Buschardt hit a wall: &#8220;I woke up one morning going, &#8216;I&#8217;m starting to do drugs again.&#8217; I said, &#8216;I&#8217;m done.'&#8221;</p>
<p dir="auto">After nearly 20 years, he walked away. &#8220;If it&#8217;s supposed to be, it&#8217;s supposed to be.&#8221;</p>
<div id="attachment_8904" style="width: 605px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8904" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8904 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/64741811_10156415095028226_2136015900636086272_n-1.jpg?resize=595%2C808&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="595" height="808" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/64741811_10156415095028226_2136015900636086272_n-1.jpg?w=595&amp;ssl=1 595w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/64741811_10156415095028226_2136015900636086272_n-1.jpg?resize=221%2C300&amp;ssl=1 221w" sizes="(max-width: 595px) 100vw, 595px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8904" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Carter with the Lou Laser and the Pork Chop Band Revue. That&#8217;s Lou Bovis in the center, son of Louann&#8217;s founders Lou and Ann Bovis</em></p></div>
<h3 dir="auto">Life After the Lights: Comedy, Family, and Real Estate</h3>
<div id="attachment_8911" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8911" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8911 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Me-and-Stephanie.jpg?resize=300%2C215&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="215" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Me-and-Stephanie.jpg?w=1397&amp;ssl=1 1397w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Me-and-Stephanie.jpg?resize=300%2C215&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Me-and-Stephanie.jpg?resize=1024%2C732&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Me-and-Stephanie.jpg?resize=768%2C549&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8911" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Carter and his baby girl Stephanie, courtesy Carter Buschardt</em></p></div>
<p dir="auto">Music&#8217;s curtain call didn&#8217;t end Buschardt&#8217;s spotlight chase. In the early &#8217;80s, he met Glenna Hand—a Braniff flight attendant featured in Playboy and a Playboy Club worker—at a Stevie Ray record release. They married, had a daughter in &#8217;87, but split soon after.</p>
<p dir="auto">An improv audition landed him in Comedy Sports, a Second City offshoot. &#8220;Lifetime smartass and all-around funny guy,&#8221; he quips—voted wittiest in high school. Commercials followed, including a Rodney D. Young spot as one of the &#8220;3 Amigos.&#8221;</p>
<div id="attachment_8915" style="width: 260px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8915" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8915 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rodney-D-Y-Three-Amigos.jpg?resize=250%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="250" height="300" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rodney-D-Y-Three-Amigos.jpg?w=702&amp;ssl=1 702w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rodney-D-Y-Three-Amigos.jpg?resize=250%2C300&amp;ssl=1 250w" sizes="(max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8915" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Three Amigos for Rodney D. Young, with Carter Buschardt, courtesy Carter Buschardt</em></p></div>
<p dir="auto">Relocating to Kansas City for Glenna&#8217;s job, Buschardt formed &#8220;Out On A Limb,&#8221; scoring a PBS special and nearly auditioning for <em>Whose Line Is It Anyway?</em> Tragedy struck when a partner died of a brain tumor.</p>
<p dir="auto">By 42, &#8220;real life&#8221; beckoned: real estate, which he&#8217;s still selling today. &#8220;It was a great ride. Man, I didn&#8217;t have to work a real job for 30 years.&#8221;</p>
<p dir="auto">Reflecting on lost bandmates—&#8221;probably 75% of them are gone&#8221;—Buschardt&#8217;s philosophical: &#8220;Hopefully they&#8217;re playing in the big band upstairs. Save me a slot. I&#8217;ll be up there soon.&#8221;</p>
<p dir="auto">From sneaking into Louann&#8217;s to jamming with Stevie, Carter Buschardt embodies Texas rock&#8217;s untamed spirit. In an era of raw riffs and rebel hearts, he drummed through it all—and lived to tell the tale.</p>
<div id="attachment_8925" style="width: 734px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8925" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8925 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/me-in-tubes-shirt-crazy.jpg?resize=724%2C914&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="724" height="914" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/me-in-tubes-shirt-crazy.jpg?w=724&amp;ssl=1 724w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/me-in-tubes-shirt-crazy.jpg?resize=238%2C300&amp;ssl=1 238w" sizes="(max-width: 724px) 100vw, 724px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8925" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Carter in his Tube T-shirt, courtesy Carter Buschardt</em></p></div>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The Travels of the Tango Frogs A Conversation with Monk White If you’ve ever driven past a taco joint on Lowest Greenville in Dallas and seen giant frogs dancing on the roof, you’ve glimpsed the strange, wonderful legacy of Bob “Daddy-O” Wade—Texas’s unofficial minister of roadside art. But to truly understand the journey of the [&#8230;]</p>
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Courtesy Lisa Wade</em></p></div><h3 style="text-align: center;" data-start="348" data-end="386"><em data-start="352" data-end="384">A Conversation with Monk White</em></h3><p data-start="409" data-end="738">If you’ve ever driven past a taco joint on Lowest Greenville in Dallas and seen giant frogs dancing on the roof, you’ve glimpsed the strange, wonderful legacy of Bob “Daddy-O” Wade—Texas’s unofficial minister of roadside art. But to truly understand the journey of the famous <em data-start="664" data-end="677">Tango Frogs</em>, you have to talk to one of the men behind the madness: Monk White. Without whom, none of this might have happened.</p><p data-start="740" data-end="884">Monk’s name kept surfacing as I interviewed the people who knew Daddy-O best—Shannon and Angus Wynne, Lisa Wade, and more. So I gave him a call.</p><p data-start="886" data-end="952">“Monk White…” I began. “How do I know that name? Are you from Dallas?”</p><p data-start="954" data-end="1126">“I grew up in Fort Worth,” he said. “University of Texas. Then Wharton. Wall Street. Eventually, I came back to Dallas. Spent most of my life there before settling in Austin.”</p><p data-start="1128" data-end="1330">“Sounds enough like a Dallasite to me,” I told him, mentioning my years in the nightclub scene—back when Greenville Avenue was all neon and attitude. Even did a one-year stint as maître d’ when the Playboy Club opened.</p><p data-start="1332" data-end="1355">That got his attention.</p><p data-start="1357" data-end="1412">“Oh my God, really? With Lenny Licht and Joel McQuade?”</p><p data-start="1414" data-end="1465">“Yep. And a couple of wild years at Papagayo, too.”</p><p data-start="1467" data-end="1604">He laughed. “Then we’ve definitely crossed paths. My crew ran with the Stoneleigh P crowd, or wherever Shannon or Angus were stirring things up.”</p><p data-start="1606" data-end="1649">We were already speaking the same language.</p><h3 data-start="1651" data-end="1678">Making Art Out of Chaos</h3><p data-start="1680" data-end="1723">I asked Monk how he first met Daddy-O Wade.</p><p data-start="1725" data-end="2093">“We were connected way back at UT,” he said. “Later, when I returned to Dallas after working on Wall Street, I found Daddy-O a place on the east side. That’s when the art got real crazy. I bought him a shop on Lemmon Avenue—just down from Mother Blues. It became a circus. Half a dozen cars would roll up and we’d take the place over. I was in on most of Daddy-O’s big projects.”</p><p data-start="2095" data-end="2232">Monk’s name appears over and over in <em data-start="2118" data-end="2149">Daddy-O’s Book of Big-Ass Art</em>, a fitting tribute to the man who helped make many of those wild dreams a reality.</p><div id="attachment_8467" style="width: 305px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8467" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8467 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/1000005038.jpg?resize=295%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="295" height="300" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/1000005038.jpg?w=1361&amp;ssl=1 1361w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/1000005038.jpg?resize=295%2C300&amp;ssl=1 295w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/1000005038.jpg?resize=1008%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 1008w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/1000005038.jpg?resize=768%2C780&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 295px) 100vw, 295px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8467" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Giant Iguana, sitting on top of Lone Star Cafe in Manhattan in NYC. Courtesy Lisa and Rachel Wade and &#8220;Daddy-O&#8217;s Book of Big Ass Art&#8221;</em></p></div><p data-start="2234" data-end="2613">“Daddy-O was hilarious,” Monk recalled. “Just walk into a room and people would start laughing. He saw the world differently. I once brought back some little iguanas from Mexico—cheap tourist junk. He picked one up and said, ‘I want to build a 36-foot iguana.’ No plan. No hesitation. Next thing you know, we’re fundraising and that thing’s sitting in D.C., then on Wall Street, then on a NYC cafe and now back home in Texas.”</p><h3 data-start="2615" data-end="2634">Enter the Frogs</h3><p data-start="2636" data-end="2675">The <em data-start="2640" data-end="2653">Tango Frogs</em> started the same way.</p><p data-start="2677" data-end="2831">“I brought back these little stuffed frogs from Mexico,” Monk said. “Daddy-O took one look and said, ‘Let’s make eight-foot versions.’ And that was that.”</p><p data-start="2833" data-end="3102">Towering, grinning, frozen mid-boogie—these frogs became icons the moment they hit the roof of Tango nightclub on Greenville Avenue. But when Tango closed in 1985, the frogs went up for auction.</p><p data-start="3104" data-end="3206">“I think I paid about $2,500 at the auction for them,” Monk told me.</p><p data-start="3104" data-end="3206">“And Shannon said they cost around $20,000 to make. Sounds like a great deal!&#8221; Paul said</p><div id="attachment_8474" style="width: 220px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8474" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-8474" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/wILLIE-nELSON-WHISKEY-rIVER-COURTESY-Debby-Pressinger-09-13-2009.jpg?resize=210%2C280&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="210" height="280" /><p id="caption-attachment-8474" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Willie Nelson Whiskey River Saloon, Courtesy Debby Pressinger 09-13-2009</em></p></div><p data-start="3231" data-end="3539">Instead of stashing them away, Monk gave the frogs a new stage: Carl’s Corner, a funky roadside stop he co-owned with Carl Cornelius near Hillsboro. With Willie Nelson playing regular gigs there and truckers pulling over for gas, beer, and a photo op, Carl’s Corner became legendary. And the frogs? They fit right in.</p><p data-start="3541" data-end="3830">Even after the building burned down, the frogs survived; three were out back, and three more were mounted on top of the gas pumps. Later, they appeared at Willie’s Place, then popped up in Houston, Austin, Nashville and then Dallas again—perched above a taco joint near the old Tango location. More on that journey in our blow-by-blow chronology in Part 3 of this series.</p><h3 data-start="3832" data-end="3868">Willie, Weed &amp; Unexpected Stages</h3><p data-start="3870" data-end="3917">Not all of Monk’s stories were about sculpture.</p><p data-start="3919" data-end="4202">“One day, Willie’s tour bus pulled up,” he said. “Now, I’m not much of a smoker, but I took a couple of hits off the bong. Next thing I know, I’m being asked to walk upstairs—where all the sheriffs are—and end up on stage in front of 2,000 people. That boy could get you in trouble.”</p><p data-start="4204" data-end="4256">We both laughed at that. Because of course he could.</p><h3 data-start="4258" data-end="4272">Monk Today</h3><p data-start="4274" data-end="4387">Now 83 (though he swears he feels 65), Monk lives in Austin with his wife Joanne, not far from his two daughters.</p><p data-start="4389" data-end="4469">“Lost my first wife, but I’ve been blessed to find happiness again,” he told me.</p></div><div class="markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full break-words light markdown-new-styling"><p data-start="4471" data-end="4571">&#8220;Congratulations! Still waiting for mine.&#8221; I said. Before we ended the call, I said, “If we’d met back in Dallas, I think we’d have been good friends.”</p><p data-start="4573" data-end="4598">“Absolutely,” he replied.</p><p data-start="4600" data-end="4618">No doubt about it!</p><hr /></div></div></div></div><div class="flex min-h-[46px] justify-start"><div id="attachment_8490" style="width: 530px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8490" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8490 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/513896127_10162724569920791_1004035417623608342_n.jpg?resize=520%2C960&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="520" height="960" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/513896127_10162724569920791_1004035417623608342_n.jpg?w=520&amp;ssl=1 520w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/513896127_10162724569920791_1004035417623608342_n.jpg?resize=163%2C300&amp;ssl=1 163w" sizes="(max-width: 520px) 100vw, 520px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8490" class="wp-caption-text"><em><strong>Frog&#8217;s get a do-over. Courtesy Faith Schexnayder and Flatfork Studio</strong></em></p></div><h2 style="text-align: center;" data-start="209" data-end="236"><strong data-start="212" data-end="234">The Frog Whisperer</strong></h2><h3 style="text-align: center;" data-start="237" data-end="301"><em data-start="241" data-end="299">Faith Schexnayder, Flatfork Studio and the Second Life of the Tango Frogs</em></h3><p data-start="302" data-end="322"><strong data-start="302" data-end="322">By Paul Heckmann</strong></p><p data-start="324" data-end="682">The Tango Frogs have traveled a long way from their rooftop boogie days on Lower Greenville. Ten feet tall, mischievously grinning, and full of Texas swagger, they’ve danced their way into state folklore. But to understand how these fiberglass <em>(well, not quite)</em> legends were reborn, you have to meet the artist who gave them a second life: Faith Schexnayder.</p><p data-start="684" data-end="901">I’d been chasing the story of the frogs for a while—talking with Shannon Wynne, Lisa Wade, and Monk White. Their tales were wild, but I knew I needed the rest of the picture. So I picked up the phone and called Faith to find out more about how the frogs were made.</p><p data-start="903" data-end="1046">“Faith, this is Paul Heckmann. I’m a friend of Shannon Wynne, Lisa Wade, Monk White&#8230; and I’ve been tracking the Frogs!” I said, half-laughing.</p><p data-start="1048" data-end="1093">She chuckled. “Good luck,” she replied dryly.</p><p data-start="1095" data-end="1149">“I’ve had these frogs almost going to Japan,” I joked.</p><p data-start="1151" data-end="1219">“Not quite that far,” she said. “But they did make it to Nashville.”</p><h3 data-start="1221" data-end="1251">From Film Sets to Folk Art</h3><p data-start="1253" data-end="1684">Faith’s own journey has been just as colorful as the frogs she revived. She began her career in the Texas film industry, working on big-name productions like <em data-start="1411" data-end="1420">RoboCop</em> and television projects with Turner Network and Amblin Entertainment. But over the years, her creativity spilled over into new worlds—designing children’s rooms, building whimsical event installations, and restoring some of Texas’s most beloved pieces of pop art.</p><div id="attachment_8495" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8495" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8495 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Faiths-giant-hamburger.jpg?resize=300%2C192&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="192" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Faiths-giant-hamburger.jpg?w=792&amp;ssl=1 792w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Faiths-giant-hamburger.jpg?resize=300%2C192&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Faiths-giant-hamburger.jpg?resize=768%2C492&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8495" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Faith and Bob Wade&#8217;s giant hamburger for Hilbert&#8217;s in Austin. Courtesy Faith Schexnayder</em></p></div><p data-start="1686" data-end="2037">Her first collaboration with Bob “Daddy-O” Wade came in the mid-1990s, when he enlisted her to help repair a few of his offbeat creations, including the iconic Hula Hut fish in the river and a giant hamburger for Hilbert’s Burgers in Austin. Then, in 2010, the Tango Frogs came hopping back into the picture—weather-beaten, bird-nested, and in serious need of TLC.</p><p data-start="2039" data-end="2184">“They were in bad shape,” Faith recalled. “I mean, missing pieces, flaking paint, nests in their heads. But we got them looking fantastic again.”</p><h3 data-start="2186" data-end="2226">Frogs, Flip-Flops, and Faith’s Touch</h3><p data-start="2228" data-end="2335">Working out of her Austin studio, Flatfork Studio, Faith didn’t just restore the frogs—she reimagined them.</p><p data-start="2337" data-end="2765">She gave one frog a pair of flip-flops. The female frog, previously barefoot, now sported bright red cowboy boots and a little “top tie” for flair. Faith added sculpted pads to their fingers for realism and replaced missing parts with weather-resistant materials. The eyelashes? Not just an afterthought—they’re made from actual Volkswagen Beetle headlight eyelashes, catching the Texas sunlight like winks from a cartoon dream.</p><p data-start="2767" data-end="2891">“Bob did everything on the cheap,” Faith said with a grin. “So most of the hands-on stuff came down to me and a few others.”</p><p data-start="2893" data-end="3234">Despite their towering height and show-stopping appearance, the frogs aren’t made of fiberglass, as many, including myself, assumed. Their internal structure is a blend of metal rebar, chicken wire, spray foam, and a durable rubberized coating. They’re sturdy—but moving them is no small feat. It requires cranes, careful planning, and a healthy dose of prayer.</p><h3 data-start="3236" data-end="3258">A Traveling Troupe</h3><div id="attachment_8505" style="width: 242px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8505" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8505 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/513896542_10162724570530791_145601933546990921_n.jpg?resize=232%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="232" height="300" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/513896542_10162724570530791_145601933546990921_n.jpg?w=742&amp;ssl=1 742w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/513896542_10162724570530791_145601933546990921_n.jpg?resize=232%2C300&amp;ssl=1 232w" sizes="(max-width: 232px) 100vw, 232px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8505" class="wp-caption-text">The Frogs on their way back to Dallas to leapfrog onto the roof of the Chuy&#8217;s patio on Lowest Greenville. Courtesy Lisa Wade, Faith Schexnayder and Flatfork Studio</p></div><p data-start="3260" data-end="3668">Over the years, the frogs have leapfrogged their way across Texas and beyond: from Dallas to Houston, from Austin to Nashville, and eventually back home again on Lowest Greenville Avenue in Dallas. They’ve lived at Carl’s Corner <em>(where Willie Nelson once helped keep the lights on),</em> graced rooftops of taco joints, and most recently, made their way to Chuy’s and the Truck Yard, just blocks from where they first captivated passersbys in the ’80s.</p><p data-start="3670" data-end="3894">Originally commissioned by Shannon Wynne for $20,000, the frogs were later sold at auction and scooped up by Monk White for just $2,000. Today, Faith estimates it costs about $10,000 per frog just to refurbish them properly.</p><p data-start="3896" data-end="3987">“They’re big,” she said, “and they’re built to last—but only if someone keeps loving them.”</p><h3 data-start="3989" data-end="4024">The Iguana Mobile &amp; What’s Next</h3><div id="attachment_8305" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8305" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8305 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?resize=300%2C183&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="183" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?w=994&amp;ssl=1 994w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?resize=300%2C183&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?resize=768%2C468&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?resize=105%2C65&amp;ssl=1 105w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8305" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Iguanamobile, courtesy Bid.AustinAuction.com</em></p></div><p data-start="4026" data-end="4299">Faith hasn’t slowed down. One of her latest projects? The <strong data-start="4084" data-end="4103">Bambi Airstream</strong>, affectionately known as the <em data-start="4133" data-end="4148">Iguana Mobile</em>. Originally built to promote Daddy-O’s <em data-start="4188" data-end="4209">Book of Big-Ass Art</em>, the trailer is now being stripped down and redesigned as a mobile event service vehicle.</p><p data-start="4301" data-end="4389">“We’re really bringing it back to life,” she said. “It’s going to be something special.”</p><h3 data-start="4391" data-end="4415">More Than Just Frogs</h3><p data-start="4417" data-end="4497">As our call wrapped up, I told Faith she was my final interview for the project.</p><p data-start="4499" data-end="4555">“Good luck with everything,” she said with a warm laugh.</p><p data-start="4557" data-end="4785">She reminded me of something that’s easy to forget when you’re staring up at a ten-foot frog in flip-flops: these aren’t just roadside attractions. They’re living stories—full of personality, memory, and the odd bit of mischief.</p><p data-start="4787" data-end="4960">“Walk past them today,” she said, “and you can almost see the stories they carry. The eyelashes catching the sun, the paint gleaming, the grin just daring you not to smile.”</p><p data-start="4962" data-end="5134">In the end, the Tango Frogs aren’t just art. They’re Texas. They’re joy. They’re a little wink from the past, reminding us to keep dancing—no matter how weird the tune gets.</p><div id="attachment_8513" style="width: 610px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8513" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8513 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Thanks-to-Truck-Yard-and-Lisa-Wade-who-pulled-her-truck-up-so-that-the-Frogs-could-talk-before-taking-them-back-to-Chuys.jpg?resize=600%2C340&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="600" height="340" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Thanks-to-Truck-Yard-and-Lisa-Wade-who-pulled-her-truck-up-so-that-the-Frogs-could-talk-before-taking-them-back-to-Chuys.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Thanks-to-Truck-Yard-and-Lisa-Wade-who-pulled-her-truck-up-so-that-the-Frogs-could-talk-before-taking-them-back-to-Chuys.jpg?resize=300%2C170&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8513" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Thanks to Truck Yard and Lisa Wade and Faith Schexnayder, who pulled their truck up to the Truck Yard (TY&#8217;s Frogs on top of the roof) so that the family of Frogs could croak together for a final time before taking them to their forever (hopefully) home at Chuys on Greenville Ave.</em></p></div><hr /><p>If you want to learn more about Bob Wade and his art, visit <a href="http://www.bobwade.com/">www.bobwade.com</a> or check out his books, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Daddy-Os-Book-Big-Ass-Art-Wade/dp/1623498694">Daddy’s Book of Big Ass Art</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Daddy-Iguana-Heads-Texas-Tales/dp/0312134592/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1XFJ2TDM34ZRR&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2lN4ZlpAFkL3wcc9jPuCCg.8hZCjlE6pka0rEiPMCWJxJhEeGyWOyJq1zJpBrubhtM&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=Daddy%E2%80%99s+Book+of+Iguana+Heads+and+Texas+Tales.&amp;qid=1756315442&amp;s=books&amp;sprefix=daddy+s+book+of+iguana+heads+and+texas+tales.%2Cstripbooks%2C104&amp;sr=1-1">Daddy’s Book of Iguana Heads and Texas Tales.</a> And if you happen to drive past Chuy’s in Dallas, or the Truck Yard just around the corner, look up—you might just catch the Tango Frogs watching over the city, as they’ve done for decades.</p><hr /><p>Stay tuned for Part 3, with Scot from Chuy&#8217;s and their trip through the eyes of the Chuy designer. Also the chronology of Bob Wade&#8217;s projects and his various other Projects.</p></div><p>If you missed Part 1, go to https://meminc.org/six-frogs-over-tango-part-1/</p><div class="flex min-h-[46px] justify-start"><hr /><p><em>Thanks to so many folks for helping out with this Tango Frogs project, including the fella that kicked it off, Shannon Wynne, his brother and MemInc Board Emeritus Angus Wynne III, editing by Mike Farris, the Memories Admins Mark Cheyne, Chris Doelle, all of our 20ish Moderators, Lisa Wade and the spirit of her hubby Bob “Daddy-O” Wade, Scot Aubuchon formerly of Chuy’s, Faith Shexnayder, fixer extraordinaire, Tom and Laura Garrison of the new Stoneleigh P and of course Monk White, without whom a lot of this wouldn’t have come together!</em></p><p><em>And of course, all the members of our Facebook Groups, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/MemoriesofDallas/">Memories of Dallas</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/memoriesoftexas/">Memories of Texas</a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/MemoriesTexasMusic/">Memories of Texas Music</a>, who contributed greatly.</em></p><p>If you liked this project, please help us keep them coming. <a href="https://shorturl.at/yN9UA">Donate </a>We are a 501c3, Memories Inc, EIN 83-0566883</p><hr /></div></div></div></article></div></div></div></div><div id="thread-bottom-container" class="relative isolate z-10 w-full basis-auto has-data-has-thread-error:pt-2 has-data-has-thread-error:[box-shadow:var(--sharp-edge-bottom-shadow)] md:border-transparent md:pt-0 dark:border-white/20 md:dark:border-transparent content-fade flex flex-col"><div id="thread-bottom"><div class="text-base mx-auto [--thread-content-margin:--spacing(4)] thread-sm:[--thread-content-margin:--spacing(6)] thread-lg:[--thread-content-margin:--spacing(16)] px-(--thread-content-margin)"><div class="[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] thread-sm:[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] thread-lg:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1"><div class="relative z-1 flex h-full max-w-full flex-1 flex-col"><form class="group/composer w-full" data-expanded="" data-type="unified-composer"><div> </div><div class="hidden"><input tabindex="-1" accept="image/png,.png,image/gif,.gif,image/jpeg,.jpg,.jpeg,image/webp,.webp" multiple="multiple" type="file" /></div><div class=""><div class="bg-token-bg-primary cursor-text overflow-clip bg-clip-padding p-2.5 contain-inline-size dark:bg-[#303030] grid grid-cols-[auto_1fr_auto] [grid-template-areas:'header_header_header'_'leading_primary_trailing'_'._footer_.'] group-data-expanded/composer:[grid-template-areas:'header_header_header'_'primary_primary_primary'_'leading_footer_trailing'] shadow-short"><div class="-my-2.5 flex min-h-14 items-center overflow-x-hidden px-1.5 [grid-area:primary] group-data-expanded/composer:mb-0 group-data-expanded/composer:px-2.5"><div class="_prosemirror-parent_ebv8s_2 text-token-text-primary max-h-[max(35svh,5rem)] max-h-52 flex-1 overflow-auto [scrollbar-width:thin] default-browser vertical-scroll-fade-mask"><p><textarea class="_fallbackTextarea_ebv8s_2" name="prompt-textarea" placeholder="Ask anything" data-virtualkeyboard="true"></textarea></p><div id="prompt-textarea" class="ProseMirror" contenteditable="true" spellcheck="false" translate="no" data-virtualkeyboard="true" aria-label="To enrich screen reader interactions, please activate Accessibility in Grammarly extension settings"> </div></div></div></div></div></form></div></div></div></div></div>								</div>
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									<div id="attachment_8290" style="width: 1598px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8290" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-8290" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/369877607_10159939519978226_9127503298674601608_n.jpg?resize=1000%2C605&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="605" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/369877607_10159939519978226_9127503298674601608_n.jpg?w=1588&amp;ssl=1 1588w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/369877607_10159939519978226_9127503298674601608_n.jpg?resize=300%2C181&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/369877607_10159939519978226_9127503298674601608_n.jpg?resize=1024%2C619&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/369877607_10159939519978226_9127503298674601608_n.jpg?resize=768%2C464&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/369877607_10159939519978226_9127503298674601608_n.jpg?resize=1536%2C929&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/369877607_10159939519978226_9127503298674601608_n.jpg?resize=105%2C65&amp;ssl=1 105w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8290" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Six Frogs over Tango. On top of the club. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.</em></p></div><h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong> </strong></h4><h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Six Frogs Over Tango: Shannon Wynne</strong></h4><p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Shannon Wynne and the Tango</strong></p><p>In the early 1980s, Shannon Wynne was looking to create something new in Dallas nightlife. “Video was still really new back then,” he recalled. “I wanted something different, so I built a club that had a room with 20–25 TVs in it. It was very innovative for the time.”</p><p>Tango wasn’t just his first nightclub—it became a destination. There was even a video DJ, or “VJ,” although, as Wynne admits, it was a far cry from today’s sophisticated setups. “They just played music videos that were MTV quality. They weren’t creating anything live. But David Bowie heard about it, and he came to see it.”</p><p>The old bank building that housed Tango shaped much of its character. Videos played in the vault room, adding a quirky layer to the atmosphere. But the club’s most iconic feature would be born out of a chance encounter in a friend’s studio.</p><p>Wynne had known the artist and Texas folk legend Bob &#8220;Daddy-O&#8221; Wade for some time, ever since helping him build the Texas Mobile Home Museum in 1976. He even had a hand in the creation of the giant ostrich-skin boots now standing in San Antonio, and later pitched in on Daddy-O’s Iguanomobile. By 1981, Wynne had already seen Daddy-O’s work on display in New York City, and while rummaging through his studio for inspiration, he spotted one of those curious stuffed frogs playing an instrument—an item often found in curio shops in Mexico.</p><div id="attachment_8305" style="width: 1004px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8305" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-8305" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?resize=994%2C606&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="994" height="606" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?w=994&amp;ssl=1 994w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?resize=300%2C183&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?resize=768%2C468&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/The-Iguanamobile-courtesy-Bid.AustinAuction.com_.jpg?resize=105%2C65&amp;ssl=1 105w" sizes="(max-width: 994px) 100vw, 994px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8305" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Iguanamobile, courtesy Bid.AustinAuction.com</em></p></div><p>“That would be cool,” Wynne thought aloud. Daddy-O agreed, and together they dreamed up “Six Frogs Over Tango,&#8221; (also known as &#8220;Six Frogs Over Greenville&#8221;), in deference to Shannon&#8217;s dad, Angus Wynne Jr., who came up with the world-renowned amusement park &#8220;Six Flags Over Texas.&#8221;</p><p>The frogs would be large, motorized, and &#8216;permanently&#8217; perched atop Tango. Daddy-O set up a “frog factory” originally in an old warehouse on Lemmon Avenue owned by Monk White, then they were later moved to a warehouse on Greenville, gathering a crew to bring the vision to life. “Daddy-O didn’t really get himself dirty,” Wynne laughed. “He directed traffic.”</p><p>The final product—six massive amphibians, each eight or nine feet tall—cost around $20,000. Some were posed as if dancing, all set to canned music while their heads and bodies rotated above the street. The installation required a crane and a sign crew to hoist them onto the roof. The frogs even earned national attention, with mentions in Newsweek and People Magazine.</p><div id="attachment_8312" style="width: 217px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8312" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8312 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/396730142_10159939525673226_8540572902698046550_n.jpg?resize=207%2C315&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="207" height="315" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/396730142_10159939525673226_8540572902698046550_n.jpg?w=207&amp;ssl=1 207w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/396730142_10159939525673226_8540572902698046550_n.jpg?resize=197%2C300&amp;ssl=1 197w" sizes="(max-width: 207px) 100vw, 207px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8312" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Shannon Wynne, Count Basie and Tony Bennett at Tango back in the day. Courtesy Shannon Wynne</em></p></div><p>And guess what? Dallas City Hall decided they were advertising, signage of a sort which was prohibited, and said to take them down. Shannon and his neighbors disagreed. Shannon took them to Frog court and got the ban overturned as they were considered art! It was lampooned in the Dallas Times-Herald.</p><div id="attachment_8300" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8300" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8300 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/187894635_10158241658523226_9180057153134912321_n.jpg?resize=300%2C206&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="206" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/187894635_10158241658523226_9180057153134912321_n.jpg?w=787&amp;ssl=1 787w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/187894635_10158241658523226_9180057153134912321_n.jpg?resize=300%2C206&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/187894635_10158241658523226_9180057153134912321_n.jpg?resize=768%2C527&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8300" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Courtesy Dallas Times-Herald, drawn by Scott Willis, TH Editorial Cartoonist</em></p></div><p>When Tango eventually closed, everything was auctioned off. Wynne remembered the question hanging over the six rooftop giants: “What are you going to do with six giant frogs?” Monk White had the answer—he purchased them for $2,500 and moved them to Carl’s Corner, the quirky truck stop he co-owned with Carl Cornelius. (more on that in the Monk White interview in Part 2)</p><p>Before they departed Greenville Avenue, Wynne and friends threw the frogs a big goodbye party at the nearby Fast and Cool Club. Photographs from the day show Wynne, Cornelius, Daddy-O, and Monk White standing proudly on the flatbed truck hauling the green troupe toward their new life.</p><p>Today, Wynne is just happy they’ve survived. “I’m really glad they’re both on Greenville,” he said of their current separate locations. “I’m sorry they’re not in the same place, but at least they’re still there.” At one point, he even tried to reunite them all for one of his &#8216;Rodeo Goat&#8217; restaurant locations in the Taco Cabana building that stood on top of the old Tango property, but the building’s owners opted for a Starbucks instead.</p><p>For Wynne, the Tango Frogs aren’t just an eccentric decoration—they’re a reminder of a creative era when a handful of visionaries could dream big, build wild, and leave something unforgettable in the Dallas skyline.</p><h4 style="text-align: center;"> </h4><h4 style="text-align: center;">Six Frogs Over Tango: Lisa Wade</h4><p style="text-align: center;"><strong>The Hopping History of the Tango Frogs: A Conversation with Lisa Wade</strong></p><p>When it comes to Dallas icons, few are as instantly recognizable—or as beloved—as the Tango Frogs. Perched high above buildings for decades, these six giant amphibians have hopped across Texas and beyond, leaving a trail of memories, tall tales, and quirky art history in their wake.</p><p>To get the real story, I spoke with Lisa Wade, wife of the late artist Bob “Daddy-O” Wade, the man who birthed the frogs. Over the course of our conversation, we traced the frogs’ unlikely journey, shared stories about the Dallas club scene in the ’80s, and talked about the friends and characters who kept the legend alive.</p><div id="attachment_8384" style="width: 797px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8384" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8384 size-large" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_124043.jpg?resize=787%2C1024&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="787" height="1024" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_124043.jpg?w=1416&amp;ssl=1 1416w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_124043.jpg?resize=230%2C300&amp;ssl=1 230w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_124043.jpg?resize=787%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 787w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_124043.jpg?resize=768%2C1000&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_124043.jpg?resize=1180%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1180w" sizes="(max-width: 787px) 100vw, 787px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8384" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Bob Wade riding one of his 40&#8242; tall &#8216;ostrich&#8217; cowboy boots. Courtesy Lisa Wade and &#8220;Daddy O&#8217;s Book of Big Ass Art&#8221;</em></p></div><p>F<b>rom Stuffed Iguanas to Giant Frogs</b></p><p>Lisa explained that the idea for the frogs didn’t start with frogs at all—it began with a stuffed iguana.</p><p>“Our friend Monk White brought a stuffed iguana back from Puerto Vallarta,” she recalled. “That’s what kicked off the whole thing.” Then<span data-olk-copy-source="MessageBody"> the sculpture at Artpark was moved to the Lone Star Cafe in 1978, the Boots in 1979, all before the Frogs looked over Greenville Ave. <em>(a timeline for the Bob Wade and the Frogs is being completed for Part 2)</em></span></p><p>At the time, Bob Wade had already built a reputation for creating oversized, whimsical public art—giant cowboy boots, a saxophone sculpture, the famous Iguanamobile. The frogs came to life in 1982–83 at the “Frog Factory” across from the legendary Dallas club, Tango. They first appeared in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade on Greenville Avenue, mounted on the back of a flatbed truck.</p><div id="attachment_8389" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8389" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8389 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_144428.jpg?resize=300%2C95&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="95" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_144428.jpg?w=2040&amp;ssl=1 2040w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_144428.jpg?resize=300%2C95&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_144428.jpg?resize=1024%2C325&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_144428.jpg?resize=768%2C244&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/20250828_144428.jpg?resize=1536%2C488&amp;ssl=1 1536w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8389" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Daddy O surveying what the Frogs were seeing, installing them on the top of Tango, Courtesy Lisa Wade and &#8220;Daddy O&#8217;s Book of Big Ass Art&#8221;</em></p></div><p><strong>Life Above Tango</strong></p><p>Once complete, the frogs took their place atop the Tango nightclub, becoming part of the city’s nightlife identity. The ’80s Dallas club scene was wild, and Lisa remembers it vividly—clubs like the Starck Club, the Rio Room, and the Nostromo were all part of the cultural background.</p><p>“It was the ’80s,” she laughed. “People talk about how there was ecstasy at the Starck Club, just sitting in bowls on the counter, like mints. It was a different time.”</p><p>Bob wasn’t a partier, but he was an observer, and he noticed everything. The frogs became more than decoration—they were conversation starters, landmarks, and eventually, symbols of a certain Dallas era.</p><p><strong>The Great Frog Migration</strong></p><p>By 1985, the frogs’ rooftop residency ended. After appearing at the Fast and Cool Club, all six were moved to Carl’s Corner, the famous truck stop founded by Willie Nelson’s friend Carl Cornelius and Monk White.</p><div id="attachment_8395" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8395" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-medium wp-image-8395" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Dallas.Culture.com-2020-article.jpg?resize=300%2C180&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="180" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Dallas.Culture.com-2020-article.jpg?w=1040&amp;ssl=1 1040w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Dallas.Culture.com-2020-article.jpg?resize=300%2C180&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Dallas.Culture.com-2020-article.jpg?resize=1024%2C614&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Dallas.Culture.com-2020-article.jpg?resize=768%2C461&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Dallas.Culture.com-2020-article.jpg?resize=800%2C480&amp;ssl=1 800w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8395" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Three of the Frogs on top of the gas/diesel pumps at Carl&#8217;s Corner. Courtesy Dallas.culture.com, 2020 article</em></p></div><p>“They survived a fire there,” Lisa said. “Three were up over the gas pumps, three in back. The ones up front got their fingers a little charred, but that was it. We were lucky those gas pumps didn’t go up.”</p><p>From there, the frogs began their decades-long journey:</p><p>Mid-1980s – Three frogs remained at Carl’s Corner, while the others traveled in a Texas sculpture show.</p><div id="attachment_8402" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8402" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-medium wp-image-8402" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/8-15-90-Courtesy-TAMU-Battalion-and-TAMU.edu_.jpg?resize=300%2C191&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="191" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/8-15-90-Courtesy-TAMU-Battalion-and-TAMU.edu_.jpg?w=1108&amp;ssl=1 1108w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/8-15-90-Courtesy-TAMU-Battalion-and-TAMU.edu_.jpg?resize=300%2C191&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/8-15-90-Courtesy-TAMU-Battalion-and-TAMU.edu_.jpg?resize=1024%2C651&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/8-15-90-Courtesy-TAMU-Battalion-and-TAMU.edu_.jpg?resize=768%2C488&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8402" class="wp-caption-text"><em>1990 article courtesy TAMU Battalion and TAMU.edu, Frogs on the art tour around 1987</em></p></div><p>Early 2000s – Some ended up in front of a Taco Cabana in Dallas, then moved to the Truck Yard.</p><p>2013 – Three were moved from Chuy’s in Houston to Chuy’s in Nashville.</p><p>2024 – Thanks to the efforts of “Sweet Guy Scot” from Chuy’s and artist Faith (who had refurbished other Wade works and we interviewed in Part 2), the Nashville frogs were returned to Dallas and restored to glory at a new Chuy’s location—just blocks from their original home.</p><p><strong>Friends, Characters, and the Legacy</strong></p><p>Names like Monk White, Mike Young, and Shannon Wynne come up often when talking about the frogs’ history. Lisa spoke warmly about Monk, calling him “the best” and sharing that he had been the best man at her wedding.</p><p>She also recalled the endless network of friends, artists, and characters that surrounded Bob Wade’s work. “Once you started working with Bob, you were irrevocably part of his life,” she said.</p><div id="attachment_8408" style="width: 1010px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-8408" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-8408 size-large" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IMG_9645.jpeg?resize=1000%2C750&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="750" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IMG_9645.jpeg?w=2016&amp;ssl=1 2016w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IMG_9645.jpeg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IMG_9645.jpeg?resize=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IMG_9645.jpeg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IMG_9645.jpeg?resize=1536%2C1152&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IMG_9645.jpeg?resize=370%2C278&amp;ssl=1 370w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-8408" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Traveling Frogs, courtesy Lisa, Rachel and Daddy-O Wade</em></p></div><p><strong>More Than Just Frogs</strong></p><p>Lisa sees the frogs not only as art, but as living pieces of history. “You don’t own the sculptures anymore, but you’re tied to them for life. You just hope people take care of them.”</p><p>Bob Wade’s art—whether it was the frogs, the Iguanamobile, or giant cowboy boots—was never just about the object. It was about joy, humor, and the way people connected to them.</p><p>“They’ve hopped around for over 40 years,” Lisa said. “Through fires, moves, and even corporate buyouts, they’ve survived. People love them.”</p><p><strong>Still Hopping</strong></p><p>Today, three of the Tango Frogs sit proudly above Chuy’s in Dallas, their green bodies gleaming from a recent restoration. They’re a reminder of a wilder, more colorful Dallas—and of the artist who believed in making art fun and unforgettable. The other three sit around the corner at The Truck Yard, all six are within a couple of blocks of their original home.</p><p>As Willie Nelson said when he first saw them at Carl’s Corner: <i>“What the hell is Carl on?”</i></p><p>Now, Lisa says, “He understands. He knows what a genius Daddy-O Wade really was.”</p><p>If you want to learn more about Bob Wade and his art, visit <a href="http://www.bobwade.com">www.bobwade.com</a> or check out his books, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Daddy-Os-Book-Big-Ass-Art-Wade/dp/1623498694">Daddy’s Book of Big Ass Art</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Daddy-Iguana-Heads-Texas-Tales/dp/0312134592/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1XFJ2TDM34ZRR&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2lN4ZlpAFkL3wcc9jPuCCg.8hZCjlE6pka0rEiPMCWJxJhEeGyWOyJq1zJpBrubhtM&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=Daddy%E2%80%99s+Book+of+Iguana+Heads+and+Texas+Tales.&amp;qid=1756315442&amp;s=books&amp;sprefix=daddy+s+book+of+iguana+heads+and+texas+tales.%2Cstripbooks%2C104&amp;sr=1-1">Daddy’s Book of Iguana Heads and Texas Tales.</a> And if you happen to drive past Chuy’s in Dallas, or the Truck Yard just around the corner, look up—you might just catch the Tango Frogs watching over the city, as they’ve done for decades.</p><hr /><p>Stay tuned for Part 2, very soon with the prime suspect, the instigator Monk White, the repairer, painter and overall Frog fixer Faith Shexnayder and also Scot Abuchon, the designer for Chuy&#8217;s for several decades.</p><hr /><p><em>Thanks to so many folks for helping out with this Tango Frogs project, including the fella that kicked it off, Shannon Wynne, his brother and MemInc Board Emeritus Angus Wynne III, editing by Mike Farris, the Memories Admins Mark Cheyne, Chris Doelle, all of our 20ish Moderators, Lisa Wade and the spirit of her hubby Bob &#8220;Daddy-O&#8221; Wade, Scot Aubuchon formerly of Chuy&#8217;s, Faith Shexnayder, fixer extraordinaire, Tom and Laura Garrison of the new Stoneleigh P and of course Monk White, without whom a lot of this wouldn&#8217;t have come together! </em></p><p><em>And of course, all the members of our Facebook Groups, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/MemoriesofDallas/">Memories of Dallas</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/memoriesoftexas/">Memories of Texas</a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/MemoriesTexasMusic/">Memories of Texas Music</a> who contributed greatly.</em></p><p>If you liked this project, please help us keep them coming. <span style="color: #ffff00;"><a style="color: #ffff00;" href="https://shorturl.at/yN9UA">Donate </a></span>We are a 501c3, Memories Inc, EIN 83-0566883</p>								</div>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Paul Heckmann sat down with Gene Cook &#8211; a longtime friend of Paul, a dancer, cruise director and a stable at the Playboy Club. produced by Lone Star Podcast Network MP3 download link</p>
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		<title>Saran Knight &#8211; The Longhorn Ballroom Pt 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2022 15:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Louise Keyes&#160;sat down with&#160;Saran Groom Knight&#160;&#8211; daughter of Dewey Groom of Longhorn Ballroom fame. MP3 download link</p>
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		<title>Saran Knight &#8211; The Longhorn Ballroom Pt 1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2022 20:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Louise Keyes sat down with Saran Groom Knight &#8211; daughter of Dewey Groom of Longhorn Ballroom fame. MP3 download link</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<img width="720" height="960" src="https://meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/263816420_10225529155312889_880056603337046714_n.jpg" class="attachment-rss-image size-rss-image wp-post-image" alt="Saran Groom Knight" style=" height: auto; width: 100%; border: none" decoding="async" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/263816420_10225529155312889_880056603337046714_n.jpg?w=720&amp;ssl=1 720w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/263816420_10225529155312889_880056603337046714_n.jpg?resize=225%2C300&amp;ssl=1 225w" sizes="(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px" /><p><strong>Louise Keyes </strong>sat down with <strong>Saran Groom Knight</strong> &#8211; daughter of Dewey Groom of Longhorn Ballroom fame.</p>



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		<title>Alan Kaye &#8211; Comedian and Celebrity Impressionist</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2022 14:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Paul Heckmann sat down with Alan Kayes &#8211; a comedian, celebrity impressionist and long-time opening act for the band Chicago. MP3 download link</p>
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		<title>Tommy Loy, Dallas Cowboy Trumpeter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>After he performed The National Anthem for Mr. Murchison, he waited to hear if he got the job. The clock was fast approaching kickoff and he hadn’t heard if he was selected so he prepared to find a place to watch the game. Five minutes before kickoff, he got the call that Mr. Murchison wanted to go with his solo rendition, which began what would be a 22-year stint as the Dallas Cowboys solo trumpeter.</p>
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									<h1 align="CENTER"><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: large;">Tommy Loy,&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: large;">Dallas Cowboy Trumpeter</span></span></h1>
<div id="attachment_5147" style="width: 325px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5147" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-5147 size-full" title="Courtesy Lindi Loy and the Loy Family" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommys-Baby-Picture-%E2%80%93-7-Months-Old.jpg?resize=315%2C539&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="315" height="539"><p id="caption-attachment-5147" class="wp-caption-text">Tommy figuring out how to purse his lips for that first trumpet blow. He&#8217;s already figured out that right hand, two fingers equals &#8220;E&#8221;. He was a natural!</p></div>
<h3 align="CENTER"><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: large;">courtesy of Lindi Loy, the Loy Family, Michael Granberry of the DMN and so many fabulous memories</span></span></h3>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">On Wednesday night before Thanksgiving in November of 1966, Tommy Loy’s home phone rang. On the other end of the line was Mitch Lewis, one of his Air Force buddies he hadn’t seen or talked to since 1955. Mitch told him he had been assigned the task of locating a trumpet player for a possible, experimental solo National Anthem for the league’s first color-televised Thanksgiving Day football game. He instructed Tommy to be at The Cotton Bowl around noon the next day for the tryout with Mr. Clint Murchison, the owner of The Dallas Cowboys football organization. Tommy asked if he could stay for the game, regardless of the outcome of the audition and the man assured him that would be fine. It would be the very first game Tommy ever attended. <br></span></span></p>
<div id="attachment_5150" style="width: 279px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5150" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-5150 size-medium" title="Courtesy Dallas Morning News" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/DMN-269x300.jpg?resize=269%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="269" height="300" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/DMN.jpg?resize=269%2C300&amp;ssl=1 269w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/DMN.jpg?w=459&amp;ssl=1 459w" sizes="(max-width: 269px) 100vw, 269px" /><p id="caption-attachment-5150" class="wp-caption-text">Tommy&#8217;s solo for the Dallas Cowboys</p></div>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">After he performed The National Anthem for Mr. Murchison, he waited to hear if he got the job. The clock was fast approaching kickoff and he hadn’t heard if he was selected so he prepared to find a place to watch the game. Five minutes before kickoff, he got the call that Mr. Murchison wanted to go with his solo rendition, which began what would be a 22-year stint as the Dallas Cowboys solo trumpeter. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Michael Granberry, a staff writer for The Dallas Morning News, wrote <i>“And for all the years that followed, the Loy family sat in covered seats under the press box and the Cotton Bowl and then on the 30-yard line at Texas Stadium. For many years after launching his Cowboys career, Loy’s solo was seen on television, even, one occasion, national television until pregame commercial time became so valuable that CBS decided to ax the national anthem from the broadcast.&#8221;</i></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Granberry described Tommy’s rendition as a one-of-a-kind experience of being present at a Dallas Cowboys home game. He went onto say that his moving, distinctive trumpet follow at The Cotton Bowl from 1966 until early in the 1971 season, when the Cowboys moved to Texas Stadium in Irving.</span></span></p>
<p><em>“</em><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><em>The quiet dignity Tommy brought to the task stood out amid the gaudy spectacle of a National Football League game. No one accompanied him, aside from the tens of thousands fans sitting in the stands,”</em> added Granberry. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Loy’s Super Bowl V experienced is embedded in the family folklore. Singer Anita Bryant was supposed to perform the national anthem, but she got sick. The late Tex Schramm then the Cowboys’ president and general manager, told network officials: “I have a guy who can play the anthem for you.” So Loy got the call the night before the game. He and his wife, Carolyn, hopped a quick flight from Love Field to Miami just in time for him to blow his horn while wearing a white dinner jacket and black bow tie.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Whether at the Super Bowl or the Cotton Bowl or Texas Stadium, his anthem experience was, his daughter says, the thrill of a lifetime.<em> “It was really meaningful to him. My dad was basically a patriot,”</em> she added. <em>“It was an honor, a privilege. He took it very seriously. And, of course, being a musician, he loved the attention, because he was a natural performer.”</em></span></span></p>
<div id="attachment_5144" style="width: 179px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5144" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-5144 size-medium" title="Courtesy Lindi Loy and the Loy Family" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-with-his-maternal-grandmother-Eula-Watson-Long-169x300.jpg?resize=169%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="169" height="300" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-with-his-maternal-grandmother-Eula-Watson-Long.jpg?resize=169%2C300&amp;ssl=1 169w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-with-his-maternal-grandmother-Eula-Watson-Long.jpg?w=332&amp;ssl=1 332w" sizes="(max-width: 169px) 100vw, 169px" /><p id="caption-attachment-5144" class="wp-caption-text">Tommy and his maternal grandmother Eula Watson Long</p></div>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Born in Denison, Texas in 1930, Loy was the son of a homemaker mother and a father who worked in the hotel business, managing the historic Denison Hotel. His dad died when Loy was 11, so his mother, grandmother and step-grandfather raised him. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">During his SMU years, he got invited to join a jazz band called The Cell Block Seven. He enrolled in SMU in 1948, when college football great Doak Walker was still a future Heisman Trophy winner. Loy spent two years in the Air Force and finished his music education degree from SMU in 1955.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">On a fall Saturday in 2016, The Sherman Jazz Museum in Sherman, Texas, held a Tommy Loy Celebration Day. Loy’s widow, Carolyn, attended the opening party, along with Lindi and Laura, two of the couples’ four daughters. <em>“He was my dad, but I had no idea how good he was, what an influence he was on other musicians and how well-known he was,”</em> says Lindi Loy. “His name, Loy, was even the answer to a New York Times crossword puzzle. The clue was ‘Cowboy trumpeter’. And the answer of course was Loy.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Growing up<em> “and being a part of that whole experience, I loved it,”</em> added Lindi, recalling fondly the times her dad took her onto the field at the Cotton Bowl, allowing her to snare the autographs of some of the teams’ most iconic players, from wide receiver “Bullet Bob Hayes to Hall of Fame defensive tackle, Bob Lilly, to free safety Cliff Harris. <em>“It was magical,&#8221;</em> says Lindi who’s working on a book about her dad, titled Tommy Loy: The Man Behind the Horn.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Tommy and Carolyn raised their girls in Dallas’ University Park suburb, where they graduated from Highland Park High School. <em>“Dad worked two jobs to keep us there and Mom at home to raise us,”</em> Lindi says.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">His day job was that of a recording engineer that took him to <em>“several well-known recording studios, one being PAMS Recording Studio in Dallas. He was instrumental in the jingle industry during the late 1950s and early 1960s. And then his night job, Thursday through Sunday, was playing his horn in his Dixieland Band.” </em></span></span></p>
<p><em>“</em><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><em>That was dad’s true love,”</em> added Lindi. <em>“If he could have made a living playing Dixieland music, he would have done that. And the older he got, the more he played.”</em></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Loy died of pancreatic can in October of 2002 when he was 72. <em>“He passed away at the prime of his musical career,”</em> Lindi says. He performed in the Edinburgh Jazz Festival in Scotland just weeks before he died.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In 2000, Loy performed his trumpet solo of the national anthem at Landry’s memorial service at The Meyerson Symphony Center at the request of the Landry family.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">And then in 2013, the Cowboys did a very cool thing, Lindi says, by bringing back the tradition of the trumpet-solo anthem. The new trumpeter is jazz musician Freddie Jones. At the beginning of the 2013 season, the Cowboys invited Lindi and her sisters to a game and lined them up on a platform near Jones as he played the anthem. Each sister was given a Cowboys jersey with the No. 22, “representing”, Lindi says,<em> “the 22 years Dad played the anthem.”</em> One sister held the Cowboys blazer her dad used to wear; another held his trumpet.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Baskerville Old Face, serif;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The famous Tommy Loy trumpet and the cornet he used to play with his Dixieland band, are at The Sherman Jazz Museum, where the museum showcases horns played by such greats as Doc Severinsen, Maynard Ferguson, Clark Terry and Marvin Stamm, among others. And now, Tommy Loy’s horn will be right there with them.</span></span></p>
<div id="attachment_5140" style="width: 523px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5140" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-5140 size-full" title="Courtesy Lindi Loy and the Loy Family" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-picture-with-3-of-his-daughters-Lindi-Lewelen-and-Laura.jpg?resize=513%2C350&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="513" height="350" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-picture-with-3-of-his-daughters-Lindi-Lewelen-and-Laura.jpg?w=513&amp;ssl=1 513w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-picture-with-3-of-his-daughters-Lindi-Lewelen-and-Laura.jpg?resize=300%2C205&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 513px) 100vw, 513px" /><p id="caption-attachment-5140" class="wp-caption-text">Tommy with three of his daughters, Lindi, Lewelen and Laura</p></div>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">HI Lindi! I saw a comment you made about your Dad passing in 2002. I am sorry to hear that. I lost my father about the same time but I wanted to let you know how what a special place in our family YOUR Dad had. My father, as Cowboy season ticket holder, always loved your Dad&#8217;s trumpet playing at every home game. I remember how stupid I felt one day in high school when I finally put 2 and 2 together and realized that was your dad! Take care and have a great Thanksgiving!</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">Ted</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Interview with Jim Long – TM Productions</span></strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">Your Dad never really wanted to be a producer or an engineer. He wanted to play his horn. As good as he was with the clients and the singers, I felt that I didn’t get the best out of him – it was a paycheck to him. So I was frustrated with him a lot of the time. I left like I never reached him or could motivate him because he was more interested in playing.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">He had so much talent in so many different ways but he focused on playing. We were in the business of music and we were working on an assembly line. After the original recordings were made, the fun is over and the grind started and he was at the end of the line and I’m sure got bored as hell listening to the same line for the 100<sup>th</sup> time with a different call letter. I’ll never forget watching the Cowboys games and having someone who worked with me had such a wonderful opportunity to play and I don’t think he ever missed a note.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">We were not close but he was a fun guy, he had a good sense of humor. I would always look forward to the office Christmas party and after Tom got loaded he would pick a fight and tell me all the things that he had been storing up for the year. After several years of that, I used to go up and tell him I was ready to take my medicine, and it wasn’t any fun for him.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">He functioned at a pretty high level but every once in a while he would go to lunch and not come back. It didn’t happen a lot but it caused problems. He was so smart and knew about so many things.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-decoration: underline; color: #999999;"><strong>Bernie Arendes – Air Force Buddy</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">Remembers Tom showing up from San Antonio, TX and joining the band. Although they were in the military, it was like being in college without the books.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">He remembers Dad as a good musician who played French horn and he sang very well. He remembers that Dad was easy to work with and he ran the band when Steve Sample was gone.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">They played at the officer’s club, the NCO club and the service club. Every once in a while, they would go off base and play at the Selma Country Club.</span></p>
<div id="attachment_5132" style="width: 562px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5132" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-5132 size-full" title="Courtesy Lindi Loy and Loy Family" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Last-picture-of-Tommy-with-his-daughter-Lindi-Loy-and-granddaughter-Meredith-Boyer.jpg?resize=552%2C372&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="552" height="372" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Last-picture-of-Tommy-with-his-daughter-Lindi-Loy-and-granddaughter-Meredith-Boyer.jpg?w=552&amp;ssl=1 552w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Last-picture-of-Tommy-with-his-daughter-Lindi-Loy-and-granddaughter-Meredith-Boyer.jpg?resize=300%2C202&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 552px) 100vw, 552px" /><p id="caption-attachment-5132" class="wp-caption-text"><span style="color: #999999;">The last photo of Tommy with daughter Lindi and granddaughter Meredith Boyer</span></p></div>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-decoration: underline; color: #999999;"><strong>Lee Roy Jordan</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">What years (how long) did you play for the Cowboys?</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">1963 – 1976 – 14 years</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">What year were you inducted into the Ring of Honor?</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">1989 – First year of Jerry Jones ownership &#8211; Recognized him as a leader of the defense. He felt like he had a great grasped on Tom’s defense and could call the plays.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">What do you remember about Tommy?</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">He had a warm, friendly personality – a fun guy to be around before the game.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">How did you feel when you heard him play the National Anthem?</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">His playing was a sincere presentation of our National Anthem and showed a true allegiance to our country.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">I know you were focused on the task at hand but did he help calm you and help you focus?</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">It really calmed me down and settled my nerves. The music was so pure and heartfelt and gave me an opportunity to relax before I went out on the field and to do my best for the Cowboys.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="text-decoration: underline; color: #999999;"><strong>Tony Liscio</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">How long did you play for the Cowboys?</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">1963-1972 – 9 years &#8211; from the Cotton Bowl to Texas Stadium – When we won the Super Bowl</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">How did you feel when you heard him play the National Anthem?</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">You’ve warmed up and your adrenalin is going and then you hear that song. It’s a beautiful song, when you hear it and you take pride in it. You know you’ve got to go out there and do your best. As soon as the song is over with, then you’ve got to go and take care of business.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #999999; text-decoration: underline;">John Niland</span></span></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #999999;">We knew as soon as Tommy started playing to stand still and pay attention. He was the best.</span></p>
<div id="attachment_5136" style="width: 599px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5136" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-5136 size-full" title="Courtesy Lindi Loy and the Loy Family" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-at-age-68.jpg?resize=589%2C430&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="589" height="430" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-at-age-68.jpg?w=589&amp;ssl=1 589w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Tommy-at-age-68.jpg?resize=300%2C219&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 589px) 100vw, 589px" /><p id="caption-attachment-5136" class="wp-caption-text">Tommy at age 68</p></div></blockquote>
<p>The sweet sounds from Tommy Loy&#8217;s trumpet drifted up into the heavens from Texas Stadium for all the Dallas Cowboy fans waiting there until he joined them, rest in peace Dad.&nbsp;</p>								</div>
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																		Tommy and crew working at PAMS recording studio								</div>
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																		Tommy playing the national anthem at Super Bowl V								</div>
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																		Tommy Loy at the eulogy for Tom Landry, special request of the Landry Family, courtesy DMN								</div>
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				</div><p>The post <a href="https://meminc.org/tommyloy/">Tommy Loy, Dallas Cowboy Trumpeter</a> first appeared on <a href="https://meminc.org">Memories Incorporated, a Texas 501c3</a>.</p><p>The post <a href="https://meminc.org/tommyloy/">Tommy Loy, Dallas Cowboy Trumpeter</a> appeared first on <a href="https://meminc.org">Memories Incorporated, a Texas 501c3</a>.</p>
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		<title>STEVE BROOKS, ARTIST EXTRAORDINAIRE!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PAUL HECKMANN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2021 23:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Willie had me come up to Colorado – actually, had me paint a tepee for him at his place. It was actually on the Barbara Walters special with Willie. If you look in the background, you’ll see a tepee. So, I was there painting the tepee. Then, we did the picnic in ’79. Willie had just bought the country club down there – Pedernales Country Club. So, we did that picnic – well, it was right after the picnic. So then, he wanted me to come up to Colorado to his house. He’d bought another tepee that he wanted me to paint. This thing was huge. It was in Life magazine. You should see that.</p>
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									<p><strong>Paul Heckmann</strong>:    How you doing, man?</p><p><strong>Steve Brooks</strong>:    Oh, they’re tearing up our street, replacing all the gas lines. I had to go out there and see what the damage was.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh man, that’s not good. Is that the result of the snow and everything?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    No, it’s something they’ve been planning. It’s part of – they’re replacing all the old gas lines. They’ll probably get to your neighborhood soon.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Yeah. Well, that’s an interesting neighborhood over there, man. How close are you to Kessler Parkway?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Less than three blocks.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    All right, okay. Did you know that John Wayne used to stay at a house there?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Rumor had it, yeah.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I’ve got photos of it.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Oh, really?</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    A fella named Benny Bickers lived there. He was with Warren Diamond and those guys at the turn of the century – early 1900s – and, the Three Bennies, Bennie Bickers, Benny Binion, and there’s one Ben Whitaker</p><p>Warren Diamond had some cancer and killed himself, and he had everything set up, and basically, these three guys took over part of the numbers scene in Dallas – not all of it, but no matter what Benny Binion says he did – he was full of it. And, Bennie Bickers was also a big boxer. He had part of his arm shot off when he was a kid, and he couldn’t go into pro boxing, but he became a promoter and fight-fixer and stuff like that, so I got pictures with him and Bugsy Siegel and people like that.</p><p>Later on, he bought a place there in Kessler Parkway. Well, Benny also ran the club on top of the Santa Fe Building – the University Club – and in that club, they had everybody from John Wayne to Bing Crosby to Alice Faye, you name it – all these people come through there. John Wayne would come up and stay at Bennie Bickers’s house there when he was shooting The Alamo, that was there at Kessler Parkway.</p>								</div>
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									<p><strong>Steve</strong>:    That’s great. That’s a good story. I don’t have any of my older relatives around anymore that grew up over here. They’ve passed on.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:      Let’s get to Steve Brooks.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    If you want to.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Ha! Of course. You are a legend around Dallas. Folks may not recognize your full name as you signed S Brooks, but most everyone knows your work.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah, they just have “S. Brooks.”</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I love the fact you’ve got a collection up there at UNT. Let’s talk Steve Brooks there. Were you born in Dallas?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Right down the street in Methodist.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, where’d you go to elementary school?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    It was called George Peabody over on Westmoreland and Jefferson, kind of far west Oak Cliff.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    It’s less than a half a mile east of Cockrell Hill.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, wow. So, that’s a pretty good little drive for you.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Right away, the area was called Beverly Hills because it was – up the street from us was Sivils Drive-In. You heard of Sivils Drive-In?</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    You bet. Okay, where’d you go to junior high school at?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Stockard.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    It was off of – it was between Hampton and Westmoreland, just north of Illinois.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, you still had to drive. None of these were in your neighborhood.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I had to walk or take the bus. Back then, I had a bus card, so I would take the bus.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, then you went to Sunset, right? When did you graduate from there?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    That would have been in 1967.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Ouch! Vietnam! That short period for HS grads when you’re trying to figure out what to do next, huh? “Man, if I can figure out how to go to college, maybe I don’t get drafted.”</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    That’s exactly what it was. I had a low draft number. Well, my brother – he had a low draft number, and he went ahead and enlisted. He never saw any action.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Yeah. A lot of people did that – they signed up and got to either stay in the States, or – my roommate went to Saigon, but he never saw any action other than grenades going off outside his building.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Do you also have memories of the Dallas/Fort Worth music scene?</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Some. I grew up in Waco but came up here for concerts. Moved here in late 76.</p><p>We started Memories of Texas Music. So, you’re gonna be our first one, really, for that page because yours really ties into the music scene quite a bit.</p><p>You graduated from Sunset. Did you decide to go to UNT at that time?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    No, I went to Texas Tech. I thought I wanted to be an architect. My dad was pretty…well, not terribly well-known Dallas architect, but he did a lot of recognizable buildings in Dallas. I thought I wanted to be an architect, and I was pretty good at it in high school, but luckily, at Tech, there was a degree program called dual course requirement – you could do commercial art and architecture combined. I realized the architecture part was just a little too much for me.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Too much math?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    The math and whatever that involved. So, I ended up transferring to Dallas Baptist College and went in the art program there and became the art student of the year in ’68. I loved it. It was really nice.</p>								</div>
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									<p><strong>Paul</strong>:    It didn’t hurt that you were good at it. A lot of people love art, and they’re not good at it.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    It was okay. I just liked producing art.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, how did you go from Dallas Baptist up to North Texas?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    My professors at Dallas Baptist said, “You should try a bigger school,” and I actually was interested in North Texas because I knew they had a great art department, so I said, “Yeah, that’s what I’m gonna do, I’m definitely gonna go there.” So, I commuted there for two years.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    You were at North Texas when you started working for The Iconoclast?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, I met Stoney Burns in ’69 while I was at North Texas.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, really? What was he doing there?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, Stoney had Dallas Notes from the Underground.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I remember that, yeah.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    A little three-story house over on Live Oak. Wow, what a hippie crash pad that was.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, you knew Jesus Carrillo, and Stoney, and all those guys. So, you knew Kirby Warnock too, then.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Good friends with Kirby, yeah. We still do some things together.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I’ve known Kirby for a long time. We keep crossing paths. Did an interview with him last year.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I read that. It was a good one.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Thanks. Let’s get back.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    In ’70…I started hanging out at the original Gas Pipe at 3910 Maple. Jerry Shults was the original owner. I started doing little cartoons and ads, flyers and stuff for him, and then, I think you might have read it in the blurb about people from Treehouse Productions were in there, and they saw some of my stuff, and they wanted me to do a concert handbill for them for a Delaney and Bonnie show at the state fair band shell. That was early ‘70s.</p>								</div>
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									<p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, was that Delaney and Bonnie and Friends?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Exactly &#8211; with Clapton and Allman</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Duane Allman. Wow.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Duane Allman and…the saxophone player from Lubbock – I forgot his name.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I can’t remember that right now, but I knew those three are the ones I could think of because they did Derek and the Dominoes right after that.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Exactly, Derek and the Dominoes.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    What another great tie-in. I love it! Wow. So, you were doing Delaney and Bonnie, and that started your concert production, didn’t it – at that point?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Okay, so, I did that handbill, probably didn’t charge much. Now, Frank – actually, what they followed – I did a poster called the Lee Park Massacre. There were very few of them printed. The owners of a head shop on Henderson called Through the Looking Glass called me.</p><p>They were in the Gas Pipe and they saw my stuff. You know the Lee Park Massacre, which was April of ’70. And, Cliff Sugarman, and he started an agency and started promoting concerts.</p><p>And, we did Sly and the Family Stone, I did a handbill – they said, “Come work for us.” I said, “Sure, okay…freelance.” So, we did Sly and the Family Stone and riot and some other concerts, and then, they finally just started forming an agency and said, “Come be our art director.” I was still in school. I said, “Okay, I want to still go to school. Can I come in two days a week?” They said, “Yeah.”</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, you’ve already started your career in your chosen field while you’re still studying for your career.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Still a college student. Well, I did one more semester at North Texas, and I said, “I’ve got a good thing going for me, I’m just gonna go ahead and drop out.” So, anyway, for several months there, we were doing really good, doing a lot of shows. We did Ten Years After, we did Three Dog Night – a lot of Three Dog Night shows, quite a few – and then, Concerts West – I’m sure you’re familiar with them.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I’ve seen – I’ve had their posters on the page there.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    They were big. They were really big. Concerts West was run by…I wish I could remember his name. He was a big-time promoter and film producer. I can’t remember his name. Anyway, we started jobbing work after them, so I was designing handbills for Concerts West. Then, our agency kind of folded, and Concerts West just did freelancing for us – we started designing stuff for them a whole lot from 1970 through ’75 or so.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Okay. So, were you – now, you said something about they saw your work at Gas Pipe. Had you started drawing for Gas Pipe then, or was that through Iconoclast that they saw?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah, I was still doing the Gas Pipe advertising.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    What year did you start with them?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, that would have been the Lubbock Peace Festival, which was in April of 1970. But, everything was freelance. None of them paid a salary.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    “Yeah, we’ll work out a trade, don’t worry about. We got our new bongs in this week, Steve!” I remember those days pretty well.</p><p><strong> </strong></p>								</div>
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									<p><strong><strong><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well anyway, yeah, Jerry Shults up at the Gas Pipe – fantastic friend of mine, and still is.</strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong>Paul</strong>:    All right. So, you are doing posters – let’s see here. So, you’re about ’75 now. Now, which came first, the tennis shoes for Whiskey River or the Willie posters?</strong></p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    So, I ran into a promoter named Gene McLaughlin. There was another shifty character. And, he actually booked talent at The Western Place. So, Gene was also freelancing for Iconoclast, which was a stepson of Notes from the Underground. That’s how Iconoclast came along.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I’ve still got a few old Iconoclasts.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Do you really? I remember when I saw your stuff in Buddy magazine, I’m like, “I know this look, I know this artwork. Where do I know this artwork? Oh yeah, now I know.” Tell me more about Willie.</p><p> </p>								</div>
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									<p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Buddy came after Iconoclast. So, Gene McLaughlin had seen my work in Iconoclast, and he says, “I’ve got a concert coming up in Abbott, Texas. It’s Abbott Homecoming, and it’s got Willie, Waylon, a bunch of people – good people.” So, I designed that particular advertising &#8211; handbills, posters.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Was that the original Farm Aid?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    No, no. It was all for profit. So, that’s how I ended up designing the logo for Willie with these spurs on them, and Willie really liked it. I actually went to Willie myself and sold it to him. I met him down at his place in Austin.</p>								</div>
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									<p><strong>Paul</strong>:    What year would that have been, ’73?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah, that was fall of ’73.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Okay. So, you’d done this poster for Willie, and you’ve got a tie-in to him because he likes your stuff, so what happens after that?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I just started doing a lot of stuff for him, not right away, but beginning around ’76. I did a lot of stuff for him on and off going ’73 up until ’76, and then, around ’76, they got their in-house promotion called Me and Paul Productions.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Yeah, I saw that one up there at UNT. Now, you must have done Whiskey River in ’75, though.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, yeah, those crooks… [Laughs] I didn’t get paid for them to use the logo because it was already Willie’s and Willie was a so-called silent partner in that operation, so they just borrowed the logo for Whiskey River. Willie had paid for the logo. It was not copyrighted for anything. It could be used for anything.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Yeah. Well, we’re still gonna make this your logo from Whiskey River. You know that, right? We will give you credit, even if they didn’t.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, it’s true, and I did do a couple of designs for them, and I don’t know if I got paid for them or not.  </p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Well, it was really interesting because Willie, of course,  although he was a third owner, he didn’t actually play there until Phil talked him into doing a three-night set, and the first night he was there, they had to pull him offstage because he threw his guitar at his sister, who was playing piano. I asked Phil about it, I says, “Why’d he do that?” He says, “Because we’d just done some PCP, whatever makes you angry? He said, “We’d just done that before we went onstage.” I said, “Phil, what the hell were you thinking?” He laughed and says &#8216;It was the 70s&#8221;</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah, at that time, there was quite a bit of that going on.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    There was a lot of craziness, yeah. I got you, man. So, at this point, you’re probably just about to start working on Buddy magazine, right?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, Buddy started in ’75 if I’m remembering correctly.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, you knew – obviously, you already talked about Kirby. You knew Ron McKeown over there too?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Ron’s a good friend.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Yeah, we’ve worked together on a couple little things. And, you became an editor there too, huh?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I was a senior editor, right.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, wow. Well, that’s something very different from artwork.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, all I did was edit my own artwork.</p><p><strong>Pau</strong>l:    Oh, okay. So, you were the art editor, not the interview editor or anything like that.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    No, Paul. This is basically a title to get on the masthead. Somebody might write an article and say, “Well, why don’t you read this and tell us what you think?”</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Yeah, make sure there’s not anything misspelled in it or anything like that. That’s actually an art, and I don’t have it. That’s why I send mine out to – we’ve got about four people that edit my stuff because I’m so bad at it.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Me too.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, this was about ’76 or ’77. So, you’re doing a ton of posters, and concerts, and handbills, and matchbooks, and all sorts of stuff.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I’ve got it on a hard drive – a portable hard drive. I could burn you CDs. (FYI – we got all 600 plus of his projects)</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    You have so much visual items, that might be really interesting to do.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I suppose you’ve heard about the Wittliff Collection down at Texas State University.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Uh-huh.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, I interviewed with them a few years back. The guy came up here – drove up – and he was really interested because he saw all the stuff that I’d done for Willie, and without bragging too much, it’s substantial. But, all he did was wanna talk about himself.</p><p>He was in some band out of San Antonio. Well, anyway, I didn’t hear back from him, and I went, “Well, I guess he just forgot.” So, I knew that at University of North Texas, there was a library that did collections. I don’t know how I came across it, but I just called them, and they said, “Yeah, we’d like to see what you have.” I brought everything up there, and they just – “Wow. We want this now.” He understood exactly what was there.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    There’s two places to go. One is UNT – well, actually, three. The other is DeGolyer at SMU, and also UTA. Those are the three places. But, DeGolyer or UNT are the two places, and you chose one very well.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah, being an alumni, I really wanted to go with UNT. I thought about SMU. I’ve seen some of their stuff, and they’ve got a great collection.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I wish that UNT would put more of your stuff online.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, that was gonna… Because there’s so much of it, to digitize it and put it out there where you can actually see the digital catalog…</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    It’d be overwhelming.</p><p><strong>Stev</strong>e:    It took so much time for them to do all that. I’ve already got it all, and I gave them the CDs.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I will try to see if we can figure out a way to show this online for you.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    They’ve offered to actually do a showing. We talked about putting something together, then the pandemic happened. We haven’t really spoke about it since then.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, let’s go back to your movie career. Honeysuckle Rose – tell me about that.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Okay, now we’re gonna jump out up to ’79. Well, the Me and Paul Productions – that’s the key factor here – I was doing it from ’76 up until this point of ’79. Paul English – great guy. Loved him to death. Well, I did some of the artwork for the ’75 picnic in Liberty Hill. So, Paul gave me permission to do Willie Nelson’s T-shirts. I didn’t print up enough. I only printed up 300. I said, “What do you want for this, Paul?” He said, “I’ll give you a dollar a shirt.” Next day, I went to the hotel and gave him $300.00 cash, and we remained really good friends. Then, Willie had me come up to Colorado – actually, had me paint a tepee for him at his place.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    It was actually on the Barbara Walters special with Willie. If you look in the background, you’ll see a tepee. So, I was there painting the tepee. Then, we did the picnic in ’79. Willie had just bought the country club down there – Pedernales Country Club. So, we did that picnic – well, it was right after the picnic. So then, he wanted me to come up to Colorado to his house. He’d bought another tepee that he wanted me to paint. This thing was huge. It was in Life magazine. You should see that.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Willie’s tepee, okay. I’ve gotta look these up. This sounds interesting.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:   Yeah, the Life magazine it came out in was a couple years later. So, I painted that tepee. Then, after I finished that tepee, I was finishing up, and he said, “Steve, we want you to come down to Austin. We’re getting ready to start a movie. I want you to hear these two songs.” So, he played me “On the Road Again” and “Angel Flying Too Close to the Ground.” He’d just recorded these.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, God – and they hadn’t been released yet?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    They hadn’t been because they were gonna be in the movie. 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									<p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Both of them. I love them both, man.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    He said, “Well, you gotta go on to Austin, we’re starting a movie and they need your artwork.” “Sure, I’ll do it. I’m out of here.” He gave me a wad of hundred-dollar bills – $1,600.00. I remember that well. He just reached in his pocket and started peeling them off.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh my God, man.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    So then, I started in. “Okay, here we go – the movie, Honeysuckle Rose.” They wanted me to do this artwork and switch all the rope lettering that said “Willie” to read “Buck Bonham.” That was the character in the movie – Willie. He was Buck Bonham. So, I started doing all that work and turning in the invoices to Paul. I was freelancing for Me and Paul Productions still. And, the first invoice I gave to Paul, he said, “That’s not enough. Double it.”</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, my God.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    They were paying Paul back for what he was doing them for. Rock and roll business – don’t you love it?</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    When it’s good, it’s good. When it’s not good – ugh.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    When I started freelancing in the ‘70s and particular artists would say, “Can you do some artwork for me?”, I’d say, “Well, I’ll tell you what. Normally, everyone else, I want 50%, but since you’re a musician, that’ll be 100%.” I’ve been burned by far too many musicians. And, I can give you some really popular names.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I know a few myself. I’m with you. But, boy, if you do them wrong on a gig, holy cow. It’s kind of like the whole scene is screwed up.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Plus, Willie’s group – they were all packing heat back then. You did not mess with them.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Wow, guns? </p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yep.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:     So, this is about 1979. So, you’re still working on the movie. Did you work on the movie while it was being filmed, too?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah, I got to be an extra in a couple of scenes, but mostly, I was doing a lot of – I could tell you about all the things that I did in the movie.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, you did some set work.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah, we – one huge set work for Slim Pickens that was called Garland’s Day. I did the big banner in front of the stage for the last scene of the movie. I rented an apartment in Austin and painted it in the room overhead.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Wow. I’ll see if I can find that.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    It’s at the very end. It’s Garland’s Day. It’s in green, and it’s a picture of Slim Pickens. He was Garland. When I met Garland – well, Slim Pickens – accused me of breaking his nose again, and that’s another story. We had a big laugh about that – I had an old press photo of him that I used. Nice guy.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    That’s what Burton said, man. He said he had the best time doing Blazing Saddles.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Sure, that’s right. Yeah, they did work together.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, what happens after ’79?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, gosh. Still doing stuff for Willie, but kind of winding down. I did his personal logo for stationery, just the flying tennis shoe – you’ve seen that with Willie.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    At this time, were you still working with Alice Cooper in Chicago and all those guys?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    No, no, not so much. Concert handbills, still doing – mostly just doing stuff for Buddy and the Gas Pipe. The Gas Pipe then started doing a lot of advertising.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I saw that. You’ve been doing their calendar since about day one, right?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, I think the first calendar came out in ’73. Yeah, that’s my calendar – it’s almost 50 years of calendars coming up soon.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    That’s amazing. One artist doing it, all but – so, I saw there was one year you didn’t do it.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    One year I didn’t do it, right.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Were they pissed off at you or something that year?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    We never talked about that.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Ah, okay. We won’t bring that up, then.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    They came to me and said, “We need you to do them from now on.” But, I did move to Taos, New Mexico in ’83. I was gonna take my shot at being a so-called Western artist, quote unquote. I started painting a lot, and man, did I start painting. I painted and painted every morning I got up and I was painting. </p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, you’ve embarked on your second career that usually doesn’t pay a lot of money after your first one, logos, which usually doesn’t pay too many people a lot of money. You decided to become a painter in Taos, which nobody gets paid for.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I was okay. You know why? I had a gallery that – I produced a poster for the Willie Lewis guys, and it benefited the Taos Pueblo, so I wanted to just go ahead, move to Taos, paint, and sell my paintings to a gallery who’d represent me, and I was doing okay. I was eking out a living, paying bills. That’s what it is, it’s struggling artists. I could still be there, but some circumstances came up, and I had to come back to Dallas.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, that would have been mid-‘80s. Mostly, that’s off of something – the Gas Pipe took off. They really took off, started opening up a lot more locations. They expanded to Austin, and I went down there and painted a couple murals on their stores down there. They opened two locations in Albuquerque, so I went up there, did some murals for those locations. All in all, just – they were the main client.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, are you working other kinds of jobs at this point to make a living?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Not until around…let’s see, around 1995. I can’t remember what year. I went to work with George Toomer. He was probably one of the best commercial graphics artists in Dallas at the time. He did all of Razzoo’s, Dick’s Last Resort.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, yeah.</p><p>S<strong>teve</strong>:    He almost – I tell you, Dick’s Last Resort was – basically, the visual was his creation, and all their menus… I spent four years with George.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, you had a regular paycheck.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Oh, it was a regular paycheck. I made so much money I had to pay quarterly taxes for the first time ever.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    All right, so you got a little Social Security coming in.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I do, yeah! That $500.00-a-month check – wow!</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    So, you worked for George there until about, what, late ‘90s?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Four years. I can’t remember the exact years, but it seems about right.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Okay. So, you get more or less to the year 2000. What goes on after that?</p><p>S<strong>teve</strong>:    I’m still banging out Gas Pipe.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Okay. You have some nice connections, I would imagine, from the retail industry there with Razzoo’s and other things like that. Were you doing anything like menus or anything like that for anybody else?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    No, those are the only accounts, Razzoo’s and Dick’s.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Okay. Were you doing any business advertising in these days or anything like that?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah, a few things here and there, little jobs.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Sure, gotcha. So, let me ask you this. You’re in the 2000s there, and you’re kind of looking toward do I wanna retire, does an artist ever get to retire, that kind of – I imagine it’s going on in your head. So, you’re still getting a little bit of income coming from Mr. Shults and the Gas Pipe. Is that what’s going on today with you?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I’m pretty much laid back now. I lost sight in my right eye.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, you’re blind.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Not totally blind. I had several operations, and they couldn’t fix it, so all I’ve got is my left eye. So, I would say from 2010 up until now, eBay. I’ve sold a lot of my extra handbills, posters, stuff I’ve collected over the years, and the supplemental income is really good.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Well, what I’ll do is – do you have your own store there on eBay?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    I list as Cosmic Cow Pie.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Cosmic Cow Pie. Before the story goes – I’m gonna send it out to transcription, then it goes to my editor, so it’s still a couple of weeks away, maybe three weeks away, and then I’ll get all that information from you before we finish it up. But, let me ask you this: If you had your favorite, top five Steve Brooks artworks, what would they be?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Oh gosh, I really couldn’t say.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    What was your favorite? What’s the one that you just keep – “Man, I can’t believe I did that”?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    That I’ve produced? Well, gee. Nothing really that I could… You’ve probably never seen it; I’ve probably never shown it to anybody. Does it really exist? I am fond of the Willie Blue Skies lithograph, the thing that brought me to Taos.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Willie Blue Skies?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    It’s a big lithograph. I’ll give you one. Yes, I will.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    We will put that – whenever we open up our office, whenever we get this thing set up with the Meadows Foundation, we’ll make sure it’s there. How big is it?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Oh, I’d be happy for you to own one. Willie Nelson himself bound me to do so much work for him, and to meet the people in his circle – still friends with roadies and band members all these years. God, what wonderful, great people they are. Nobody can put down Willie Nelson’s family, not while I’m around.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    And, they’re tight, too, I’ll bet.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    They are.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Nobody gets in unless it goes through the whole family, I would imagine.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Well, back then – it was years ago. Nowadays, we’ve lost so many members.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, yeah. Well, Willie must be, what, in the late 70s, something like that.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    He’ll be 88 in May.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Eighty-eight? Holy cow. I didn’t realize he was that old.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    When I was doing that tepee for him in Irving, he had me call Jerry Jeff Walker. “Who?” “Jerry Jeff Walker.” “What?”</p><p> </p>								</div>
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									<p><strong>Paul</strong>:    I was a huge fan of his, man.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    No, seriously, I did some artwork for Jerry Jeff. Susan, his wife, is a wonderful lady. (Jerry Jeff passed away in late 2020) Anyway, Jerry Shults has the Ridglea Theater in Fort Worth. </p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Oh, Jerry Shults does.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Yeah.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Ridglea Theater – I’ve heard of that.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    It’s a prime – in fact, the venue for Fort Worth besides Billy Bob’s. It’s where you’d wanna book a show. Anyway, he’ll tell you more about it.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    The Dallas people like Larry Hagman, he was a good guy. I remember being around him. Do you remember Wendy Moss? She was the party planner in Dallas. She had a big party one night, and Larry was there, and he was going around with a little portable fan. If you were smoking, he’d put this fan at you.</p><p>    I did some work for the Walker, Texas Ranger people, and for Rob Edelson, one of the major set designers.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Did you do the logo for them?</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    No, no, I just did a few things for some background scenes, just a couple episodes.</p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    Thanks so much for your time Steve. I&#8217;ve give you a call to set up a time to pick up those CD.</p><p><strong>Steve</strong>:    Thanks for doing this. </p><p><strong>Paul</strong>:    You are fondly remembered Steve, even though folks may not know your name!</p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #ffff00;"><strong>All Photos in this interview are courtesy of Steve Brooks and his fabulous art collection!</strong></span></p><p> </p><p><iframe title="Steve Brooks" width="1000" height="563" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tBKv4yDk5hw?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe></p><p>The Video starts about 1 minute in with over 600 examples of his various works including calendars, handbills, hand and line drawings and posters</p><p> </p>								</div>
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<p>Paul Heckmann sat down with Michael Nesmith of The Monkees television show and band. In the interview, Nesmith reflects on his time growing up in Dallas and his journey to becoming the lead man for The Monkees. MP3 download link</p>
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<p>We appeared on Dick Clark’s Where the Action Is. If we were playing in Houston somewhere and Dick Clark knew about it, he’d call us and say, “Would you guys come over and tape a song?” We would come by, go out by a swimming pool or something and tape our newest tune for him. We were on that show four or five times with the Knickerbockers and Paul Revere and the Raiders, so we were hot stuff. We did a lot of work with Dick Clark's Caravan Of Stars and wherever that took us, that's where we would go.</p>
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<div id="attachment_2430" style="width: 650px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2430" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Mike Rabon and American Bandstand" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Five-Americans-on-American-Bandstand.jpg?resize=640%2C474&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="640" height="474" /><p id="caption-attachment-2430" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Five Americans on American Bandstand</em></p></div>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Mike Rabon and The Five Americans</strong></h1>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Interview by Paul Heckmann, Executive Director Memories Inc.</strong></em></h4>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Edited by Mark Cheyne, Administrator Memories of Dallas</strong></em></h4>
<p><strong>Paul Heckmann:</strong> Good afternoon Mr. Rabon!</p>
<p><strong>Mike Rabon:</strong> Hey Paul, how are you?</p>
<p>Paul: Doing well, thanks for asking. Let&#8217;s kick this thing right into overdrive. Tell me about where you grew up.</p>
<p>Mike: I grew up in a little place outside of Hugo called Spencerville, and it had a population of probably about 600. Tinytown, USA.</p>
<p>Paul: I understand that your parents were schoolteachers.</p>
<p>Mike: That’s correct. They taught at a teacherage there, the same place were we lived, a tiny one building school which was also our residence.</p>
<p>Paul: Interesting. Did they teach everything?</p>
<div id="attachment_2432" style="width: 233px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2432" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Mike Rabon" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/13-yoa-mike-223x300-1.jpg?resize=223%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="223" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2432" class="wp-caption-text"><em>13 year old Mike Rabon</em></p></div>
<p>Mike: Everything from first to eighth grades. The school was about 50 students, a really small town.</p>
<p>Paul: So everybody knows everybody’s business, you better watch your Ps and Qs.</p>
<p>Mike: That’s right.</p>
<p>Paul: So, who were your favorite bands that you would listen to growing up in Spencerville?</p>
<p>Mike: It’s hard to say bands because that was during the ‘50s, I’m thinking that is was more like single artists. Frankie Lymon, Elvis Presley, folks like that. I listened to WLS in Chicago and WNOE in New Orleans, they boosted a bit of power after 6:00pm I think, so you could get it quite clear in Oklahoma.</p>
<p>Paul: How long were you in Spencerville? Mike: I was there until I was about freshman in high school. We moved to Hugo, Oklahoma, just across the Red River from Paris, Texas. Not that far from Greenville.</p>
<p>Paul: There we go. You were almost a Texan.</p>
<p>Mike: I love Texas. In fact, my third album as a single artist was called “Texas ‘Til I Die.”</p>
<p>Paul: Love it! We certainly have a little braggadocio here, that’s for sure.</p>
<p>Mike: Absolutely.</p>
<p>Paul: Now, you’ve moved to the big city of Hugo, Oklahoma. At what point do you meet your buddies to form the Mutineers?</p>
<p>Mike: Well, when I was graduating high school, I did six months’ active duty, and <img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-medium wp-image-4399 alignleft" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Mutineers-1961-dont-use-until-you-get-permission-269x300.jpg?resize=269%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="269" height="300" />from there, I went to SOSU, Southeastern Oklahoma State University, which is in Durant. I think it was called Southeastern College then. That’s where I met all four of the other Five Americans.</p>
<p>Paul: Thank you for your service. And how far away from Hugo was SOSU?</p>
<p>Mike: About 60 miles.</p>
<p>Paul: Okay, far enough that the parents weren’t there every day checking up on you, but close enough you could get your clothes washed and dried.</p>
<p>Mike: Indeed. It was a suitcase college.</p>
<p>Paul: Were you going back and forth on weekends?</p>
<p>Mike: You could have, but by that time I was living in the dormitory, and I had taught my roommate how to play the bass. We went looking for some other folks as I needed a band really bad. I taught the guy that played rhythm guitar how to play too.</p>
<p>Paul: Who was your roommate that you taught to play bass?</p>
<p>Mike: Jim Grant.</p>
<p>Paul: No kidding? </p>
<p>Tell me about the Pirate&#8217;s Cove. Sounds like a really small place.</p>
<div id="attachment_2436" style="width: 392px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2436" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy The Chaparrals" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Pirates-Nook-300x165-1.jpg?resize=382%2C210&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="382" height="210" /><p id="caption-attachment-2436" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Pirates Nook</em></p></div>
<p>Mike: That’s exactly what it was. The acoustics were okay. The stage was barely big enough to hold five of us. I&#8217;m guessing the fire marshal might let in 50 or 60 people. It was a tiny little club. We would play mostly just about for free. Bill Ware,<b> </b>the owner, would treat us and pay us when he could.</p>
<p>Paul: But they had dancing girls!</p>
<p>Mike: Yes they did!</p>
<p>Paul So I guess Bill Ware&#8217;s biggest contribution was exposure. And that would lead to The Studio Club and then Louann&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Mike: Yes, that’s true. Lots of folk got their starts or exposure at Studio Club and everybody from Harry James to Rod Stewart played at Louann&#8217;s</p>
<p>Paul: I know Felicity played there a lot at Studio Club which of course was Don Henley&#8217;s group, he of future Linda Ronstadt and The Eagles fame. And of course the owner was Larry Lavine in his pre-Louann&#8217;s and pre-Chili&#8217;s days.</p>
<p>Mike: And Kenny and the Kasuals and so many other folk.</p>
<div id="attachment_2439" style="width: 390px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2439" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy the Scarlet Dukes" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/studio-club-1960s-courtesy-Scarlet-Dukes-200x200-1.jpg?resize=380%2C380&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="380" height="380" /><p id="caption-attachment-2439" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Studio Club packed to the gills</em></p></div>
<p>Paul: The Studio Club. Tell me about it.</p>
<p>Mike: It was a much bigger club, we weren&#8217;t so squashed on the stage like the Pirates Nook. I guess they could hold a couple of hundred people and there was a balcony overlooking the main floor. And the acoustics were much better. And then we were introduced to one of the Dallas DJ&#8217;s Ken Dow. And, Ken introduces us to John Abdnor Jr. That’s when we started to get some exposure into the recording studio. His dad John Sr. had started some record labels that featured his John Jr. in the group &#8216;Jon and Robin&#8217;. That started our journey with Abnak Records.</p>
<p>Paul: Now here comes Roger Guggenheimer. And the first thing he says is that you should change your name. Now, if I’m a Mutineer and I&#8217;ve invested two years into this thing, I would think it&#8217;s time for a mutiny! How did that go over?</p>
<p>Mike: Oh my gosh, not good at all. We didn’t like it. But in retrospect, it was a good move. The strategy was to take the British groups head-on. The top 10 was full of Stones, Beatles, Kinks, you name it.</p>
<p>Paul: The British Invasion, I remember it well.</p>
<p>Mike: Exactly. Instead of mimicking them, we needed to create something different so we became the American answer to the British, the clean-cut young Americans.</p>
<p>Paul: It&#8217;s 1964. So, John Abdnor sends you up to Sumet Recording, and you do the song “It’s You, Girl, and I’m Gonna Leave You,” and “Slipping and Sliding.”</p>
<p>Mike: Yes, we did. I had a busted Gibson amp. The speaker broke in it, and I have to give myself credit for having the first fuzztone on a guitar!</p>
<p>Paul: Ha! Whatever works, right? BTW, what kind of guitar?</p>
<p>Mike: It was a Gibson, and I was playing through a Gibson amp, and it was a little, small amp. When you break those speakers, it turns a little fuzzy, so if you listen to that, you can hear the fuzz on it. That was on Abdnor’s other label. Starlight or something like that. I always thought he copied off the design right off Zinicka Records. I don’t know how he got away with that.</p>
<p>Paul: It sounds like he got away with a few things.</p>
<p>Mike: Oh yeah.</p>
<div id="attachment_2437" style="width: 190px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2437" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/abnakluanns-180x300-1.jpg?resize=180%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="180" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2437" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Five Americans at Louann&#8217;s</em></p></div>
<p>Paul: We will cover that in a bit, but I wanna talk about the good stuff here first. You started working at the primo Dallas club back then, Louann&#8217;s. In the 31 years they were open they went from Lawrence Welk and Harry James to Chubby Checkers and Chuck Berry to Jeff Beck and Rod Stewart.</p>
<p>Mike: Louann&#8217;s was THE club to play at in the Southwest.</p>
<p>Paul: And in 1965, Abner sends you to Nashville, to work on “Say That You Love Me.” I was kind of curious if any of you had ever been there before.</p>
<p>Mike: Heck, we’d never even been on a plane before, but Abdnor sent us out there with Dale Hawkins. When we got out there, Dale had hired all session musicians to play in our stead. So, we got into the studio there at</p>
<div id="attachment_2438" style="width: 301px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2438" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Mike Rabon" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/dont-use-until-you-get-permission-291x300-1.jpg?resize=291%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="291" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2438" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Five Americans with Dale Hawkins</em></p></div>
<p>Columbia Studios, they laid down the tracks, and we didn’t play on them. We were temporarily the Monkees on that one. That was the first and last time that happened</p>
<p>Paul: It didn’t really pan out the way you guys thought it would, did it?</p>
<p>Mike: No, not really. That was our first according and our first attempt at writing original songs, and we also did a flip side. That, I think, was “Love, Love, Love,” an old Jewel Akens song. “Nothing in the world for a boy and girl but love, love, love.”</p>
<p>Paul: Oh yes. You are taking us down Memory Lane here.</p>
<p>Mike: Yes indeed. Far back. Anyway, after that, that was the last of anybody playing for us on our records. We wouldn’t have it, and Abdnor saw that.We were not happy. We went into Sumet again, and we’d written a song called “I See the Light,” and we worked on that one. <iframe title="The Five Americans - I See The Light - Sump'n Else Show (1967)" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0NSJb9rombI?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> We had an old Wollensak recorder, and we practice that over and over and over, and then he sent us into Sumet, and we recorded it, and we did something different. We doubled the bass drum on that one, and we got a lot of attention for that, especially in England, the Small Faces. They reviewed that release, and of course, Rod Stewart, Rod Stewart was with them at the time, and they said that – they mentioned that, that more British bands should have that punchy bass drum, not knowing that it was doubled on the track.</p>
<p>Paul: What does “doubled” mean?</p>
<p>Mike: It means you play it once through to record it, and then you lay another track on top of that and double it up.</p>
<p>Paul: I see, same person?</p>
<p>Mike: Yeah, same person, same band, everything. I did that a lot with the guitar. Bands were doing it a lot back then. We did that at Sumet’s new studios, I believe. We recorded “Western Union” at Tyler.</p>
<p>Paul: Robin Hood Brians’ studios.</p>
<p>Mike: Exactly.</p>
<p>Paul: Was Dale Hawkins on both those records?</p>
<p>Mike: He got credit as producer, but he didn’t do much. He just kind of sat in the control room. You need somebody in there to make sure you’re not screwing up royally, you know?</p>
<div id="attachment_2440" style="width: 304px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2440" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Billboard Magazine 1966" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Billboard-Jan-15-1966.jpg?resize=294%2C661&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="294" height="661" /><p id="caption-attachment-2440" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Hanna Barbara and &#8216;I See the Light&#8217;</em></p></div>
<p>Paul: To make sure Mike Rabon’s not hogging the mic.</p>
<p>Mike: (laughs) Exactly. Had to watch for that.</p>
<p>Paul: I know that Hanna-Barbera bought “I See the Light” from Mr. Abner in 1966, but you guys actually remain with ABNAC. I don’t quite understand how that works out. Did they just buy one song?</p>
<p>Mike: Hanna-Barbera was in the cartoon business so they decided to make a foray into the music business. They bought the right to distribute that record, and that record had “Evol – Not Love,” our second release, which made the top 40. Abner paid for the recording and paid us, and made a contractual agreement with Hanna-Barbera to distribute it nationwide because he couldn’t do that because he had three-state distribution out of Dallas there, called Big State Distribution. So, he leased rights to distribute our next couple of records and an album, and I’m sure he took Hanna-Barbera for quite a ride on that. <iframe title="The Five Americans   Evol Not Love  Version 1" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/F3xWADTreao?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> Paul: So now we are entering the magical years, “Western Union” in 1967. Holy cow. I love that hook!</p>
<p>Mike: I know, I know! We watched the <i>Billboard</i> charts awful close. I think the tune got up to No. 3, and No. 1 was Nancy and Frank Sinatra had a song called “Something Stupid,”, kinda went “By saying something stupid, like I love you”. I think it was written by Lee Hazlewood. No. 2 was “Eleanor Rigby,” and No. 3 was “Western Union.”he Beatles behind it didn’t hurt. Now, that’s a fully armored, battle ready Panzer tank coming at you. And a Frank Sinatra song, it doesn&#8217;t really matter what he was singing, it could be him signing octaves, that name is magic.</p>
<p>I think “Western Union” would have been No. 1 had it not been for those two songs. That’s some serious competition.</p>
<p>Paul: Now you had this top 5 hit. Did things improve for you financially?</p>
<p>Mike: In a manner of speaking. Better hotels and travel. There was this Beechcraft that we used and we had road managers, stuff like that &#8211; but we were still on a draw vs royalties, that did not change. We flew almost everywhere we went, one night in this city, the next night in another</p>
<p>Paul: Tell me about coming up with the hook for “Western Union”.</p>
<p>Mike: “I See The Light” had gotten us enough national attention to get us on tour, so we were on tour with Paul Revere and the Raiders. We were up in Oregon, this was before the plane and we were still riding in cars, I think everybody else had buses, but no, we had a car. So, anyway, we were going through Oregon en route to Seattle, and I saw a sign that said “Western Union”, you don’t see many of those in Spencerville, and so, I said, “What if we were to write a song where a guy gets a &#8216;Dear John&#8217; letter”? Instead of a letter, he got a telegram from his gal, and that way, it’d be high technology of the day. Everybody in the band said &#8216;yeah!&#8217; : And so, we got back to Dallas and three days later, went down to Robin Hood’s, and recorded that in about 30 minutes. The rest is history.</p>
<p>Paul: Now, at this point, you gotta be feeling you could crush the Beatles and take on the Rolling Stones.</p>
<div id="attachment_2441" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2441" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Mike Rabon and American Bandstand" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Five-Americans-on-American-Bandstand-1-300x222-1.jpg?resize=300%2C222&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="222" /><p id="caption-attachment-2441" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Five Americans on American Bandstand</em></p></div>
<p>Mike: We tried. They even called us the Texas Beatles for a while! About six months later, we did <i>American Bandstand</i>, Dick Clark really liked us. We did <i>The Steve Allen Show</i>,<i> </i>and everywhere we went, we did local television shows. Producers liked us because we dressed nice, got haircuts, and all that stuff.</p>
<p>Paul: Hey, you were the young Americans. I want to come back to the Steve Allen Show in a couple of minutes but tell me more about being young and groovy.</p>
<p>Mike: Ha! We were both. That’s so true. We appeared on Dick Clark’s <i>Where the Action Is</i>. Wherever he was – if we were playing in Houston somewhere and Dick Clark knew about it, he’d call us and say, “Would you guys come over and tape a song?” We would come by, go out by a swimming pool or something and tape our newest tune for him. We were on that show four or five times with the Knickerbockers and Paul Revere and the Raiders, so we were hot stuff. At this point we didn&#8217;t play clubs so much unless they were huge venues. We did play lots of theaters, concert halls and convention centers &#8211; anywhere you could book a lot of people. We did a lot of work with Dick Clark&#8217;s Caravan Of Stars and wherever that took us, that&#8217;s where we would go. Some of the groups we played with were Sam The Sham, Bobby Vee, The Young Rascals and Strawberry Alarm Clock. I think they would run for about 3 weeks at a time, a different city every night.</p>
<p>Paul: At this point, once you’ve done “Western Union.” Tell me about the followups.</p>
<p>Mike: Yeah. Got a lot of pressure from radio stations and our manager a lot for a “communication” song after “Western Union,” and we didn’t want to, but we did, and we wrote “ZIP Code,” which is a yet another communication song, but ya gotta admit, it turned out pretty good. It made top 40. And then, we landed a few more charts at communication songs, and we grew tired of the whole ordeal because Abner was screwing us out of our money. <iframe title="Zip Code" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7b9SZEfYVd4?feature=oembed" width="688" height="387" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> Paul: Well, let me hold onto that for just a second here because I wanna talk about something good before we get into Mr. Abner. I wanna talk about that TV show <i>Something Else</i> here in Dallas. Ron Chapman really loved you guys.</p>
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<p>Mike: We had a great working relationship with Ron.</p>
<p>Paul: Yeah, he loved you. Bud Buschardt cannot stop talking about you.</p>
<p>Mike: Bud’s a good guy. He was a Producer for that show.</p>
<p>Paul: I was curious if you played live or recorded music there. I couldn&#8217;t see any cords.</p>
<p>Mike: No. Nobody did, which for the most part, was just kind of the way you did things in those days.</p>
<p>Paul: What about <i>The Steve Allen Show</i>?</p>
<p>Mike: That was one that we played live on.</p>
<p>Paul: Tell me about Steve Allen. <iframe title="The Five Americans - Western Union" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/fJMwxucTJyo?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> Mike: Well, he’s a nice guy, really funny in his own way. He liked us or the same reason other guys did and he sure was a network show, so we were glad to be on it. First thing he asked us after we played our song, he had us come over to the dais to sit down and song and he deadpans– “Now, how many are in the group?” The Five Americans, yeah.</p>
<p>Paul: Was he having a little fun there?</p>
<p>Mike: Yeah, we had to laugh at him.</p>
<p>Paul: So, at this point, you’ve been on the road, you’ve done Dick Clark, you’ve been to Oregon, you’ve been to Cali, you&#8217;ve been to Timbuktu. Tell me about some of the road stories we should know about. Who was the biggest – what my brother Bill Bronstad and the other Lambda Chi&#8217;s used to call the “golden bone,” the guy that always did something silly, and you guys would get such a kick out of it? The one guy in the group that’s always doing something silly, and the rest of them would pile on.</p>
<p>Mike: That was probably me, but those tales will stay hidden forever</p>
<p>Paul: You&#8217;ve now done Dick Clark. Whats next? We played some big venues after Dick Clark – we played at the Whiskey-a Go Go. We played a week there. it was us and a group called &#8216;The Hourglass&#8217;. Are you familiar with them?</p>
<p>Paul: That name does sound familiar.</p>
<p>Mike: It’s the Allman Brothers. In fact, I blew up his amp. We couldn’t trade amps every set, so we just ended up using their equipment. I cranked it up a little loud and kaboom. But, they were a little too good for us. We were uncomfortable because they were just too damn good.</p>
<p>Paul: Well, had they hit that groove yet that the Allman Brothers did at that point?</p>
<p>Mike: Yeah, good Southern rock. It was probably early ’68, maybe January. It was a wild time. All out in front of Whisky on Hollywood Boulevard were these long haired hippie s. Lots of anti-war stuff was starting right about then. We went to the first love-in out in Malibu.</p>
<p>Paul: Since we are talking revolution, that&#8217;s a pretty good way to segue into John Abdnor and the revolution that followed, the final days of The Five Americans.</p>
<p>Mike: It did not end well with John. We were on a monthly draw. Once a month, we got paid, just like if we were employees. And at the same time, we had the No. 5 record there, and then a bunch of Top 40s, or at least four or five. And we’re still drawing the same amount of money. So, we went up to confront him about it, and we got into a big yelling match with him.</p>
<p>Paul: A lot of hollering and screaming.</p>
<p>Mike: Yep, we had to just go back and regroup. And two of the guys decided they wanted to leave the group anyway, by then, we’d written all the communication songs that we could think of. And so it was amicable. Norman Ezell and John Durrill, the keyboardist left and went to California. John got a job with The Ventures. We knew some people in the business, like Bobby Dee and he recommended John to Ventures. And sure enough, they liked him, and he got a job touring with them. Norman took work in restaurants and food service or whatever he could find to do, but anyway, that broke the original band up. In order to squeeze out every little ounce of money that was left in The Five Americans, Abdnor says, “You gotta cut an album for me, and we’ll call it Michael Rabon &amp; The Five Americans.” playing to my ego. So I needed the money, I couldn’t just stop making money at that point. My life was not situated that well so, I went ahead and went back to the studio in Tyler. And we recorded the &#8216;Now And Then&#8217; album.</p>
<p>Paul: And what a change it was <iframe title="Michael Rabon &amp; the Five Americans - Change On Me - Now And Then LP [1969]" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tD3J8z43JXQ?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> Mike: What we did is we recorded the Now part, and he had the Then part of it on 16-track masters. So, anyway, he printed that up, and it came out, we had to finish what gigs we had left. Didn’t have to. I guess, but otherwise, it’d been a disaster for a lot of good people. So I hired Bobby Rambo of The In Crowd, and then I hired a guy in San Diego named Lenny Goldsmith for keyboard, and he came through, and we flew him in. And we finished up a few gigs in New Orleans and places like that. And when we got through with our commitments, I told Abdnor that I was leaving. I moved to California, and lived out there for a while. I finally signed up with Mercury Records. They offered me a record deal and I needed money, I needed to get in the studio, So, I signed with Mercury, which I probably shouldn’t have done. I wasn’t legally able to because I was still technically with Abnack. But I did anyway because I knew that neither one of them was gonna sue me because I didn’t have any money, just a poor musician. And so, they worked it out between them, and I got some front money, and stuff like that. And I came back to Abnack, and we kinda finished up as Mike Rabon, a solo artist. Choctaw came along toward the end, just before Abdnor and I broke up for good. I was still just Michael Rabon at that point. And so, I wrote an album worth of songs, and he really liked them. So, I went down and recorded them back in Tyler again. I’ll just come out and say it. They were really good. <iframe title="Michael Rabon &amp; Choctaw - Texas Sparrow" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1MSWYoezPNg?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> And so, I referred out to Universal and – in Los Angeles and played them for Russ Regan, whom he knew who was A&amp;R for UNI Records, Universal. And he said, “I gotta have this album.” And so, we said, “Okay, you’ve got it.” And he gave us some upfront, like 10 grand or something like that, which was a lot back then. And he gave us 10 grand. We spent it up. And I said, adios. And that’s when I left, actually. That was the end of that deal.</p>
<p>Paul: And that was that</p>
<div id="attachment_2443" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2443" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy the World Wide Web" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Paul-Williams-300x214-1.jpg?resize=300%2C214&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="214" /><p id="caption-attachment-2443" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Big and Little Enos in &#8216;Smokey and The Bandit&#8217;</em></p></div>
<p>Mike: Kinda. Then I ran into a fella in California named Paul Williams who wrote “Old Fashioned Love Song” and “We’ve Only Just Begun”, he’s head of ASCAP right now. And he was played &#8216;Little Enos&#8217; in the <i>Smokey and the Bandit</i> movies Paul: Oh yes, he played &#8216;Swan&#8217; in <i>Phantom of the Paradise</i> that they shot at The Majestic in Dallas. Mike: He’s been in the music business for a long time.</p>
<p>Paul: He had a pretty good voice too.</p>
<p>Mike: And when he and I got together, he was working as a staff writer for A&amp;M Records. He said, “I got a couple songs, or two or three that I think you’d probably like.” So, he gave them to me on tape, 7 ½ inch tape, we flew back, I recorded them to, they were good songs. Paul always wrote good songs. And so, we put those out as singles but they didn&#8217;t take off. Anyway, I think John Abdnor finally began to get the idea, he wasn’t gonna get anymore money out of me, certainly not out of the Five Americans. By then, you&#8217;d think he’d know. Anyway, we were finally done with him. So, anyway, I moved back to Oklahoma. I just looked around one day, and I thought well, the dog, and the fireplace, the kids at my knee, and things like that. And so, you have a little epiphany. Usually, most artists that are still living today had one. The ones that didn’t aren’t living today because if the road doesn’t get you, the music business will. And so, I went back to college, and I had already had two years of it, and finished up to a master’s degree in public education. And then, I was hired as a school principal, which suited me just fine. And I met with my wife, Carla there at the college, and got married, and the rest as they say is history.</p>
<p>Paul: Oh, I see. So you headed back to Oklahoma and became a real person, you joined the rest of us, the great unwashed.</p>
<p>Mike: Exactly! I bought a home, settled down, did all the things normal people do You know I found out that my parents were had a greater influence on my life than I had ever imagined. I really loved being at the school, working with the kids and all. They had truly influenced me in ways I never realized. And I’ve spent the last 30 years, just going to work, working towards retiring with a real retirement plan</p>
<p>Paul: Do your kids there at the school know that you used to be a big star?</p>
<p>Mike: People ask me that all the time, but those kids, the kids that I was a principal and teacher to, that&#8217;s a whole new generation. Now, their mothers and daddies knew who I was. But the kids didn’t really have a clue, some of them knew I had made some inroads in the music business, but they didn&#8217;t really understand it. I left it that way because it&#8217;s a lot less confusing, and lot less to explain.</p>
<p>Paul: Well, there&#8217;s that.</p>
<p>Mike: And life’s been good, Carla and I, we’ve lived happily ever after&#8230; most of the time. (muffled sound)</p>
<p>Paul: Did she just whack you?</p>
<p>Mike: Ha!</p>
<p>Paul: So, tell me about the rest of the five amigos. Jim Wright. What did he do after all this?</p>
<p>Mike: Jimmy Wright was our drummer all through the Five Americans and on Choctaw albums. We kinda lost touch over the years. And he would happen back in my life once in a while. But he kinda stuck around Durant and his hometown. I think he worked for KTEN, TV, but he made a living.</p>
<p>Paul: Oh, Jim Grant, he did some great covers, some great artwork. I guess The Studio Club connection paid dividends again as he designed the logo for Chili&#8217;s for Larry Lavine.</p>
<p>Mike: Jim was our bass player. He passed away back in 2004. Norm Ezell became a teacher. He passed away in 2010.</p>
<p>Paul: So, you said that John Durill went out to Cali and started working with The Ventures. Mike: And then, he wrote a big hit for Cher, “Dark Lady.” <iframe title="Cher - Dark Lady (Official Music Video)" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JXUH7Wk8-WI?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> and one for Merle Haggard called “Misery and Gin.” <iframe title="Misery And Gin" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-gJHKq77zyo?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> Paul: And he capped it off with being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of The Ventures.</p>
<p>Mike: He has done pretty well.</p>
<p>Paul: So, other than your school principal journey, whatever became of musical Mike Rabon?</p>
<p>Mike: Well, I was pretty good friends with Jerry Fisher – he’d roll around Dallas in ’68, ’69. He became the lead singer of Blood, Sweat and Tears after they parted ways with David Clayton-Thomas. He and I were good friends, and then that’s how my songs made their way onto a B, S and T album on the <i>No Sweat</i> album. <iframe title="Blood, Sweat &amp; Tears - Mary Miles (1973)" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Er8Gta6W0jE?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe> Paul: And tell me about your musical residuals. Did you ever get any of the money from your Abnak days back?</p>
<p>Mike: Not so much. Abdnor did a number on us. The guys that made it through that era better than most were the guys that wrote the hit songs. They got screwed out of a lot, but when you’re a Billy Joel or someone like that, you&#8217;re going to get some of it, but you&#8217;re not going to get all of it. The crooks are everywhere.</p>
<p>Paul: Didn&#8217;t Abdnor sell the masters to Sundazed back in the ‘90s?</p>
<p>Mike: Yes, he did.</p>
<p>Paul: Did you ever get any money off of that?</p>
<p>Mike: Yeah, I still do. Every year, Bob&#8230; Carla do you remember his last name?</p>
<p>Carla: Irwin</p>
<p>Mike: Bob Irwin, thanks. I called him up and said, “Look, Bob.” I said, “We’ve got screwed out of that money for that.” And he said, “I know you did. Do you want the masters back? I’ll give them to you.” And I said, “No.” And he said, “Let me tell you this. I haven’t pressed up any 45s or albums yet. But I’ll tell you what I’ll do. I’ll give them back to you if you ask me to. Oh, I just won’t put anything out.” But he also said, “Somebody else could just get a hold of the masters, and they won’t give it near as much love as I will.” And instead Bob remixed them, and he’s put out an album every year of ours that we get residuals from.</p>
<p>Paul: Oh, wow, what a lifesaver. Mike: The last one was the <i>The Best of the Five Americans</i>. But he’s got everybody’s. He’s got The Turtles, I think, and everybody that had a hit record, he’s got it. So, he’s a really good guy.</p>
<p>Paul: Before we end this interview, I read that you are now sober.</p>
<p>Mike: Oh, I will be 20 years. Well, it’s not something that I talk about often, but everything’s good. It has been for 20 years. And I’m just doing my thing.</p>
<p>Paul: Congratulations, that is a huge thing. Got my 30 year chip in January. Welcome to the club.</p>
<p>So, two more things here. Bud Buschardt sent me a note talking about your book, <i>High Strung</i>. Can you just tell me about that?</p>
<p>Mike: Well, I saw that so many folks were writing memoirs, and so I just decided to get in with it and do it too. And so – and I decided that when I did write it, I was gonna tell it exactly like it was, not cheat the reader, but by then, I was a school principal, I had to write it in secret because I wasn&#8217;t sure if people in Hugo, Oklahoma would understand. They think they do, but they don’t really. And so, I just wrote it, sent it to a publisher, and put it out. And it made me some money, some extra money. So, it’s still out there somewhere.</p>
<p>Paul: What year about – year was that?</p>
<p>Mike: <i>High Strung,</i> about how long ago Carla?</p>
<p>Carla; About 10 years ago.</p>
<div id="attachment_2445" style="width: 343px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/High-Strung-Mike-Rabon/dp/1608300471"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2445" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Amazon and Mike Rabon" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/High-Strung-amazon-200x300-1.jpg?resize=333%2C500&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="333" height="500" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-2445" class="wp-caption-text"><em>&#8216;High Strung&#8217; by Mike Rabon (click to go to Amazon)</em></p></div>
<p>Paul: So, had you already retired from the principal when that came out?</p>
<p>Mike: I was retiring just after it was released.</p>
<p>Paul: So, any more books in the pipeline or is that it for you?</p>
<p>Mike: Well, I’m thinking about it. I actually wrote three more books after that one, but they are fiction and they were all published.</p>
<div id="attachment_2446" style="width: 335px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004183KAO/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2446" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/41XZwc-QPFL-195x300-1.jpg?resize=325%2C500&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="325" height="500" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-2446" class="wp-caption-text"><em>&#8216;Billy Don, Basic and Me&#8217; by Mike Rabon (click to go to Amazon)</em></p></div>
<p>Paul: Good stuff! We will have to keep an eye open for them. Last question. For such a short last name, I have heard many pronunciations of it. What is the correct pronunciation for Rabon?</p>
<p>Mike: Lots of folks say Ray Bun. However that is incorrect, its &#8216;Ray Burn&#8217;. Thanks for asking.</p>
<p>Paul: Let me know if you’re coming in town. We’ll grab Angus for lunch. We&#8217;ll make him buy!</p>
<p>Mike: Ha! Sounds great. I’ll talk to you soon, buddy. <iframe title="The 7:30 Guided Tour - The Five Americans (1967) Stereo Digital Remastered" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zMwW2JxF4Wo?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe></p>
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<p>I heard about Jimmie Vaughan growing up because he was in The Chessmen and I was in high school at the time. Whenever we’d come through Dallas, we’d hear about the Chessmen with KLIF or something like that.<br />
When I saw them, you understand, this was back when people played live. You didn’t watch it on YouTube. You had to go to the club and see them play in person. And they just had a presence or a skill set that was just above everybody else. It was just Jimmie and Stevie, and there was everybody else.</p>
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<div id="attachment_2258" style="width: 807px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2258" data-recalc-dims="1" title="courtesy 1986 File photo from AP, courtesy Marty Lederhandler" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/h-1-768x519-1.jpg?resize=797%2C539&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="797" height="539" /><p id="caption-attachment-2258" class="wp-caption-text">Stevie Ray Vaughan, 1986</p></div>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>&#8220;When Dallas Rocked&#8221;</strong></h1>
<h4 style="text-align: center;">Interview and editing by Paul Heckmann,</h4>
<h4 style="text-align: center;">Executive Director Memories Inc.</h4>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong>the Kirby Warnock Story</strong></h4>
<p><strong>Paul Heckmann:</strong> Good morning Mr. Warnock! I was just thinking how long we have known each other. It&#8217;s been a while.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby Warnock:</strong> It has indeed. We keep crisscrossing paths. Lots of ups and downs along the way.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So how is life in Fort Stockton?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Same old, same old. Lots of fences and javelinas and dirt.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> All right, let’s get to Kirby. Where did the legend begin?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Well, I was born and raised in Mississippi. But I was also a part-time Texan. My father was born and raised up in Fort Stockton on our family’s ranch out here. And he was an only child. And he married my mother who was from South Mississippi from a little town called Louin. They met at Mississippi College, and they got married. So, marriage being a compromise, they decided that we would live in Mississippi. But every summer and every Christmas, we’d come out to Fort Stockton to his parent’s place, my grandparents.</p>
<div id="attachment_2244" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2244" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Kirby Warnock" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Kirby-on-his-grandfathers-horse-Silver-300x261-1.png?resize=300%2C261&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="261" /><p id="caption-attachment-2244" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Kirby, the buckaroo on his grandfather&#8217;s faithful steed &#8216;Silver&#8217;, 1962</em></p></div>
<p>So, I grew up spending about a month out of every year out here in West Texas. We’d drive out here from Mississippi every Christmas for the two-week Christmas vacation, and then we’d drive out here in the summer. And usually, my parents would leave my brother and I out here on the ranch with my grandparents, and we’d stay here most of the summer.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Oh, wow, that sounds like a lot of fun – and work!</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> It was, but it was a good time. So, as soon as I got out of high school, I came to Texas and became full-time Texan. As Davy Crockett said, “I wasn’t born a Texan, but I got here as quick as I could.”</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Now I know where Fort Stockton is. About 100 miles north of Big Bend National Park, basically out in the middle of West Texas. But I also seem to remember that the interstate highway wasnt around back then.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> That&#8217;s correct, we took all these little roads to get to Dallas. Then we took Highway 67 out of Dallas or Highway 190 driving into Eldorado. The interstate wasn’t built yet. It wasn’t around until I was in college. But growing up, it was always two-lane blacktop.</p>
<p>The only time there was multi-lanes was the DFW Turnpike. We had to pay turnpike fee. That was exciting.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Well, you must have felt like you were in the big city!</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> We were red-hot trotting. My gosh, when you pay money, you can drive fast. There’s lots of lanes.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, now you’re a full-time Texan. Now what made you want to go to Baylor?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Well, having grown up in Mississippi, I simply did not want to go to college there. I’d seen everything Mississippi had to offer.</p>
<p>And I always enjoyed Texas a lot more whenever we’d visit when I was a kid. It was a really long two-day drive on those little roads. So, the first day we drove from Mississippi to Dallas. We always spent the night in Dallas, there in Oak Cliff, My father’s best friend was from Fort Stockton, a fella named John Collins. And he had gone to Baylor. After he graduated Baylor Law School, he set up practice in Oak Cliff.</p>
<p>And we always spent the night there with them. And then the next day, we’d get up and drive from Oak Cliff to Fort Stockton and do the same thing on the way back.</p>
<div id="attachment_2245" style="width: 218px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2245" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Kirby Warnock" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Kirby-at-Baylor-208x300-1.jpg?resize=208%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="208" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2245" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Kirby at Baylor in Waco, 1973</em></p></div>
<p>So, every trip, we always spent at least three or four nights in Oak Cliff with them. I knew I did not wanna go to college in Mississippi, and I had no idea what I was going to do. And then dad&#8217;s buddy John said, “Why don’t you visit Baylor?”</p>
<p>And we got to have one day where we could take off of school and do a college visit. So, I took off a Friday, so I’d have a three-day weekend. And we drove out to Waco during Baylor homecoming in 1969. And I went to see Baylor homecoming, and I was just impressed with everything there. It wasn’t anything like they had in Mississippi. The only problem was the football team was terrible.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> The Bill Beall days – ouch!</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> But I liked the school, and I decided I could go here. So, I enrolled and finished in four years, which was normal back then.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, what was your degree in?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> I majored in history but I did not get a teaching certificate. We can go back to how the world was different back then, on career day, they would tell us at Baylor, “It doesn’t matter what your degree is in as long as you get a degree. It will show an employer that you can start something and finish something.”</p>
<p>So, I always enjoyed – I tried to major in business, but it was just too boring. I took economics and accounting, and it just bored me to tears. But I always enjoyed the history classes there. And I said, “If I’m gonna be here for four years and get a degree, I wanna pick something I enjoy.” So, I majored in history but never intended to teach it. I just was always told if you get a degree, you can get a job. And back then, you could.</p>
<p>There were lots of jobs. So, I got a history degree from Baylor.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, was it a specific history such as American or European?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> No, you had to take all kinds of history classes to get the degree. I took world history under Dr. Robert Reid. I took Texas history under Dr. Paul Armitstead. I took oral history under Dr. Thomas Charlton. I just had all these different professors, but to get that degree in history, you had to take all these different classes.</p>
<p>All those guys were great professors that I think that kids are missing a lot today not having – they all think history’s boring like that. But these guys made history anything but boring.</p>
<p>They told great stories.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Well, it really prepped you for your future too.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Oh, yeah. And I kinda minored in journalism.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Kinda?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yes, I took journalism 101 and photography and public relations because I always enjoyed variety. And for history, you had to write a lot. You had to write a lot of term papers. So, yeah, I was doing a lot of writing back then.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, you get out of Baylor. You got a history and a minor in journalism. What happens next?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Well, later on I went up to Colorado, there was a little town called Salida, and I got a job with The Mountain Mail newspaper. It was a daily paper that only published Monday through Fridays. No weekend editions. And I got a job there selling advertising and writing for them.</p>
<p>And I did it because I wanted to ski more. I always enjoyed skiing, but I figured I could never get good just skiing every Christmas and every Easter. So, I went up there and got a season’s pass at the Monarch ski area and worked at The Mountain Mail, and I skied 100 days a year!</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Oh, man.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> And let me tell you I got to be pretty good. But as anybody who’s tried to live in Colorado will be the first to let you know, wages are low, and prices are high. And I got tired of it. I was broke all the time. And I don’t mean just broke; I mean just an inch away from eating dirt all the time. And it just wore me down &#8211; all my friends in Texas were driving new cars and doing well. After two years, it wasn’t sustainable. So, I came back to Texas, and that’s when I got that job at Buddy Magazine.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Perfect landing spot?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Oh yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So the Buddy Magazine era begins. Was Stoney Burns the big dog at that time?</p>
<div id="attachment_2236" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2236" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Wikipedia" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Dallas_notes_11_5_70-300x203-1.jpg?resize=300%2C203&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="203" /><p id="caption-attachment-2236" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Dallas Notes, 1970</em></p></div>
<p>Kirby: Oh, yeah. He was the publisher. Oh yes. He had run the &#8216;Dallas Notes&#8217; prior to that. His dad had a printing business which gave him and insight to cost and how to physically make it happen.</p>
<p>He was one of the anti-war kids from the 60&#8217;s and helped sponsor several of the protests.</p>
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<p>Yeah, he was the end-all be-all at that.</p>
<p>Buddy had a little ratty office down on McKinney Avenue at some apartments. There were some cheap run-down apartments there, and he rented two apartments there and used those for offices. They had adjoining doors. So, our office was in an apartment building at that time.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Who else was there at that time?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> A guy named Ben Ferguson was one of the writers, and Jesus Carrillo and Ron McKeown were photographers. And there was another girl we had there selling advertising named BJ Ellis. Her real name was Bette Jean, but she went by BJ. And she was there. Oh, and Evelyn Adams was a typesetter. And Louie Salganik was the office manager. He did payroll and all that stuff.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, you’re at Buddy Magazine. And what was your first job there?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> I sold advertising. Stoney would let you write as much as you wanted as long as you sold ads.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Self-propagating.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yeah, nobody was just a full-time “writer.” We all had to sell advertising. Since it was a free publication, it all depended on ad sales. So, we all wanted to work at a rock-and-roll magazine, but we had to be able to sell ads.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, how long were you there?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> I was there eight years.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> No kidding! Now, didn’t you move up to editor at some point?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yeah. I did. I wasn’t there that long, this was within a month or to after I got there. There was a guy there named Bill Douglas who was the editor. He and Stoney had somehow fallen out for one reason or another, Stoney fired him and told me I was the editor.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> With a massive pay raise, right?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Ha!</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> I’ve heard stories about Stoney. He was pretty tight wasn’t he?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yeah, he was very cheap. But he could be generous when he wanted to. I remember one Christmas, we had a really good year. We sold a butt-load of new advertising that year, 1977 I think. And he gave me a $2500 Christmas bon<strong>us.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Holy cow!</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Now $2500 back in 1977 was a lot of money.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> You must have thought you had died and gone to heaven. That&#8217;s crazy.</p>
<div id="attachment_2257" style="width: 210px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2257" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Kirby Warnock" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Kirby-and-Charla-Stevenson-at-Buddy-event-in-1978-1-200x300-1.jpg?resize=200%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="200" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2257" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Kirby and Charla Stephenson at a Buddy event in 1978 </em></p></div>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> It was. He gave everybody in the office a bonus, we all got at least a $2000 bonus that Christmas.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Is there any other good stories you can tell me about Stoney?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yes. He was probably one of the, well, interesting is too tame a word. The guy just enjoyed having a good time and didn’t really care what other people thought.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> It sounds a lot like somebody else that I know, wink, wink, nod, nod.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Hee hee hee&#8230; His main thing was he thought that a lot of what society frowned on back then were what he called victim-less crimes. He thought everybody should be able to do drugs, have sex as much as they wanted without the cops getting involved.</p>
<p>And he had been very involved in the anti-war protest back then at Lee Park and everything. So, he thought the draft was a horrible idea. He thought that society put too many restrictions on our freedoms. And he wanted to be able to do what he wanted as long as he wasn’t hurting anybody…but himself.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, you’re there at Buddy Magazine. And how did it kinda end of end for you at Buddy Magazine?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Well, I reached a point where I was pushing 30. And I just thought – I don’t think I can do this all my life. I don’t wanna be 40 – for one thing, I didn’t know the music business would continue the way it did. I thought I don’t wanna be 45 years old and still standing up at a Rolling Stones concert. I just thought I wanted to – I don’t know, whats the word I am looking for&#8230; OUCH&#8230; like “serious”? Or to get a career or something like that. I just felt like I needed to move on. So, I just made a decision that I would quit one day. And I gave him my notice and quit and that was it. It was all self-inflicted.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Oh, wow. So, you left Buddy Magazine. Is that when you went to Bally’s?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> No, I did a publication called MetroSport which was a startup magazine. And then I went over to the President’s Health Club, aka Bally’s, and we did SportsPulse. It was all modeled after Buddy, but it was all about health and fitness. It was a free publication. We existed on sales. I was still in publishing but it was in a different arena. That was all.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> That’s with Fred Clapp and Sonny Reiser?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yeah. I remember you and I were there about the same time. Those guys were really nice to me. I know some people had other different experiences with them. Especially Sales.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> That was a different thing when you had to report numbers to them.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> You had to meet a quota. You had to meet a gross, but I was blessed that we were always managing to have the magazine profitable. We sold enough advertising, so, they liked me. I always had a really good relationship with both those guys. I wonder where they are now because they were nothing but good to me. I can say that.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> The last I heard, they were up in New York.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Oh, yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> About how long were you at Bally’s?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Damn, now you’re making me think. Yeah, I’m gonna say four years or something. I’m guessing that’s what it was. Yeah, somewhere around there – four or five years. It was ‘83 up to about ‘88.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, you left Bally’s. What’s the next step?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Well, I got a job. Believe it or not, since I’ve always been a writer, somehow – I don’t remember how. It was through a temp agency. I was looking for something to do. A temp agency needed contract writers for proposals for EDS. So, I signed up for that. And I got on and worked up here as a contractor writing business proposals for about two or three years. And they finally made me a full-timer and like that.</p>
<p>And then not too long after I got on full-time and got health insurance, they had a bad turn in the stock price, and they laid off like 10,000 people in one day. Their CEO was Dick Brown who came from cable and wireless, and he immediately slashed jobs.</p>
<p>So, after that, some of the people that had left there went over to ACS, Darwin Deason’s company. And they called me and said, “You wanna come over here?” And I said, “Sure.” So, I went over there and worked over there for several years – well, for a few years. And then the same thing happened. They had a bad stock quarter, and they had to slash jobs – like 5000. I was gone in one day.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Oh, wow.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> The whole team I was with got cut except our supervisor. She kept her job, thank goodness. And then from there I just went into another proposal writing at Deloitte Consulting. So, I did proposal writing for almost 14 years after leaving Buddy like that, which was a lot dryer kinda work. But it paid pretty well. I’ll tell you that. I was able to raise three kids and buy a house off of it. And it was not the most exciting work in the world, but it was a steady check with benefits. And I wasn’t just some hippy in an old apartment now, you know? Well, once you have children, you’re through the looking class. Everything changes.</p>
<p>You gotta provide. You go from being just an earner to a provider. That’s a big change. A really big change.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, here come the 90s. I know you started working on your first documentary back then, didn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yes. I did. That was when I was working still doing proposal writing like that, but it already kinda fell together. I put out “Return to Giant” in ‘96.</p>
<div id="attachment_2246" style="width: 245px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2246" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Warner Brothers through Texas Monthly 1991" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Tex-Mo-1991-235x300-1.png?resize=235%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="235" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2246" class="wp-caption-text"><em>James Dean screentest for &#8220;Giant&#8221;</em></p></div>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Well, how did that come about? Did something spark that?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Well, because coming out here to Fort Stockton – we’re not that far from Marfa. And all my life growing up I’d heard about when Hollywood came down to Marfa – Rock Hudson and James Dean, Liz Taylor.</p>
<p>And you gotta understand that back then I was kid, back in the 50s and 60s, they didn’t make a lot of movies in Texas. All the movies about Texas, they were in California or Monument Valley. So, the fact there were these in Texas was a big deal.</p>
<p>And I’d always heard about that all my life and thought the people of Fort Stockton drove down there to see the filming of the movies and all that stuff. I always thought it was a real interesting story when Hollywood came to a little bitty small town, and the stars had to rub up against the small towners. And I was lucky. I just put out some feeders and found some people who had photographs and stories and home movies. I tried to make a good little documentary, so I put it all together.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> It sounds like it was fun.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> It was.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, now you are – at this point you are sensing something new. You had been a writer all your life, so no film editing in your background.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> No, I had to hire an editor for that one. But after watching what he did and everything like that, I felt like – yeah, I can do this.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Sure.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> So, I edited my next two films. And it’s gotten a lot easier. Back then, you had to have an AVID. And you shot on an beta camera. Those things cost $20,000, even a cheap one. And then you had to digitize all the video. On an AVID system, you had to have a huge storage capacity and everything like that.</p>
<p>Now, you can just about do it it all on a laptop. Everything’s on the cloud. And a digital movie camera – you can buy a really great Cannon one for $2500. Or you rent them a camera, tripod, and a light kit for like $500 a day. And you just rent it. It’s all gotten a lot – the cost of entry has gotten a lot cheaper to film making.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> It certainly has. So you have broken into the documentary scene. What comes next, “Border Bandits”?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yes, it was. Well, that was based on a story my grandfather told me about when when he was a working cowboy down in South Texas near Mission and Pharr down there in the Red River Valley, he witnessed Texas Rangers murder two Mexican Americans. And he knew both of these Mexican Americans. One was named Jesus Bazan, and one was name Antonio Longoria. And they lived not far from the ranch he was working on.</p>
<p>He knew them, and he knew they weren’t banditos. They weren’t revolutionaries. But what happened was the Rangers were trying to find the Mexican banditos that had raided the nearby McAllen Ranch. And they were trying to catch the perpetrators. Well, they couldn’t catch them all. So, they found these two old guys and said, “They’ll do,” and shot them and killed them.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Wow..</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> They thought they were helping the bandits. My grandfather buried their bodies a few days later. They shot and killed them not far from the bunkhouse where the cowboys slept. And he said that he had to go out and bury them because of the stench from the human remains rotting. It just stunk so bad, they couldn’t sleep. They buried them beside what was a cow trail. Now it’s a road down to the Valley.</p>
<p>I’d always been fascinated by that story because I was always raised watching the Lone Ranger and John Wayne like that. Texas Rangers were supposed to be really straight arrows and like that. So, this went totally against what I’d been told growing up. And I knew my grandfather was telling the truth. So, I knew I had to verify his story. I tracked down documentation and any kind of witnesses like that. I had the story, but now I said, “I wanna prove it.” So, I spent almost all the documentary proving it up. And it’s all there. And it happened exactly the way he said it did.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Now, you remember that besides Baylor I went to Texas A&amp;I down in Kingsville. I know Eva Longoria went to Texas A&amp;I. Don&#8217;t I remember hearing you telling me that she is a descendant of Mr. Longoria?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yes, Antonio Longoria is one of her relatives, but I didn’t realize that until they had this special on PBS with Dr. Louis Gates and Harvard. “Finding Your Roots”</p>
<p>I’ve been dying to meet her and talk to her about this. I’ve sent a few letters to reach her, but I’ve gotten nowhere. She’s got a lot going on, but I would very much love to tell her what I&#8217;ve found. I’d just like to make her aware of this film, and I’d like to hear what she heard growing up and just go from there.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> I’ll reach out to our Alumni group, and we’ll see what happens on there.</p>
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<p>So, you’ve done “Border Bandits.” Now, is this when you started working on “When Dallas Rocked”?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> What had happened, Stoney had died. And Bugs Henderson had died. All these people that I knew from that old scene were all dying.</p>
<p>So I told myself, you know, we better get this story told, or everybody’s gonna be gone. Because there’s no book out about the glory days of KZEW. There’s no book about the history of the Texas Jam or about Big State Distributing record – nothing about that. It was all just people’s stories, people on bar stools talking. So, I thought we need to catalog this while there’s still people alive.</p>
<p>So, I just started interviewing people that I knew basically from my Buddy days. We kinda took it for granted I guess, that we kinda thought it would be rock-and-roll all the time. On the big music scene there were a lot of clubs, the bands, the records deals, and KZEW out here. So, it was just all sitting in front of me, I just wanted to kind of record that and get it out there. It wasn’t that I was trying to show up Austin. Some people said it was sour grapes. It wasn’t like that at all. It was just to say, &#8216;hey, this happened. We’re trying to save it and record it and go from there&#8217;.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Exactly, the same thing we are doing at &#8216;Memories of Dallas”. Let them say it in their words, not ours. Let’s pass this information on before we all take that long dirt nap.</p>
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<p>So Kirby, we’ve gone through “When Dallas Rocked.” Next up, the “Vaughan Brothers.” Tell me about that.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> I’ve always wanted to do a documentary on them because I’ve watched them go through all their phases. They were playing dingy old clubs, then they each got a record deal, then all the other stuff Stevie does. I just always thought since they were from Oak Cliff, this might be a cool story.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Sure.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> I heard about Jimmie Vaughan growing up because he was in The Chessmen and I was in high school at the time. Whenever we’d come through Dallas, we’d hear about the Chessmen with KLIF or something like that.</p>
<p>So, I had watched their career all my life. And I always thought that it was just a fascinating story because I play guitar, and millions of us did after the Beatles. But those guys – when they played, it was like a totally different instrument. It became a part of their them, really an extension of their body.</p>
<p>When I saw them, you understand, this was back when people played live. You didn’t watch it on YouTube. You had to go to the club and see them play in person. And they just had a presence or a skill set that was just above everybody else. It was just Jimmie and Stevie, and there was everybody else.</p>
<p>And you gotta remember, when I was at Buddy, I saw so many people in person, a lot of really good guitar players – Robin Trower, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page. I saw all those guys, and I just always thought even back then, “These dudes are better than anybody I’ve ever seen.”</p>
<div id="attachment_2239" style="width: 244px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2239" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Buddy Magazine, Darleen McAdams and Ron McKeown" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/cover-0919-Page-01-vaughan-1_1-234x300-1.jpg?resize=234%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="234" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2239" class="wp-caption-text"><strong>&#8216;The Vaughan Brothers&#8221; Buddy Edition</strong></p></div>
<p>And the fact that I’ve played guitar and knew how damn hard it was to play that well, and I said, “They could do everything Jimmie Page or Eric Clapton can do.”</p>
<p>And the fact that they came from a little cracker box house in Oak Cliff. They didn’t have wealthy parents that could just buy them whatever they wanted to play. Some kids were playing guitar when I was growing up. Their parents bought them any amp they wanted, any guitar.</p>
<p>Not in that family. And then Jimmie Vaughan opens for Jimi Hendrix when he’s a 15-year-old kid. That’s mind-boggling.</p>
<p>So, I was just always totally taken with their story and wanted. I said this is a fascinating story that needs to be told. That’s what got me going on that documentary.</p>
<div id="attachment_2237" style="width: 235px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2237" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Kirby Warnock" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/84716926_2271087153191354_1311455366046810112_o-225x300-1.jpg?resize=225%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="225" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2237" class="wp-caption-text"><em>One of the 9&#8242; tall panels Costo built in Spain</em></p></div>
<p>But I actually started on the Vaughan Brothers Artwork Project before I started the documentary. Both are kinda coming around the same time, but it wasn’t planned that way.</p>
<p>But I got the idea for the artwork when I was doing “When Dallas Rocked.” I’d done an interview with Bugs Henderson for Buddy about a year or two earlier, right before he died. I remember him telling me a story. He said he was invited to the opening of the House of Blues when they first opened in Dallas. And Dan Aykroyd was there. He came in from out of town, and he had a big show and money. And he said Dan Aykroyd made a big deal about these speckles of dirt on the ground where the building was gonna be built. It came from Muddy Waters’ house in Mississippi.</p>
<p>And Bugs said, “I like Muddy Waters, but I was thinking – why the hell aren’t we sprinkling dirt for Freddy King?”</p>
<p>And he said, “There should be a statute of Freddy King in the House of Blues.” Bugs Henderson said that.</p>
<p>And I thought about that. I thought, &#8216;you know, he’s right&#8217;. And then I thought about it more and more, really, there should be some kind of a statue or artwork out on the Vaughan brothers in Oak Cliff. And that just got me to thinking like some ignorant naïve dummy. So, I contacted the office of cultural affairs, and I asked about it. They showed me what I needed to fill out. And you gotta do this and you gotta do that. It was just like your business proposals.</p>
<p>You gotta go to lots of meetings, and really, its drudgery is what it is. But if you just keep your head down and stay with it, I didn’t know it was gonna take this long to be honest with you but it’s now been five years. I can&#8217;t believe I started this thing five years ago.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> I remember you trying to raise money.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yeah, we raised the money pretty quickly. It turned out that it was the easy part. The hard part was getting it all done with so many layers of bureaucracy. And also every time you wanna do something, it’s gotta be put out for bid and goes to the lowest bidder and things like that. So, it’s not for the faint of heart, I’ll just tell you that.</p>
<div id="attachment_2247" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2247" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Kirby Warnock" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/unloading-300x224-1.jpg?resize=300%2C224&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="224" /><p id="caption-attachment-2247" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Unloading the panels in Dallas</em></p></div>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, you have got this really cool looking piece of art that’s gonna be down there. Absolutely unique. And from what I saw, it’s gonna be really tall.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yeah, nine feet tall I think. So, that was one of the delays. They originally had designed it to be seven feet tall. So, they hired the company to build the foundation. They’d gone out for bid, and they won it. But then when they got the first panels back from Casto, they were like nine feet tall. And they said, “Well, the foundation’s only built to hold a seven foot one.”</p>
<p>They had to put down for bid again and start the process all over. So, that delayed everything there. So, the first delay was all the money we raised. The IRS wanted to keep 30% of it. And we said, “You can’t do that.” So, we had to through attorneys in the city and all, nine months to finally get that taken care of before they could even send in the money. It was just one thing after another. I could write a book on all the delays we had.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> So, why did the IRS want 30%?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> I don’t know the reason, it was something crazy. I finally just said “Kelly, (city liaison) find some way around this.” They wanted to withhold that much when we gave the check to the artist. So, I couldn’t explain it to you, but it took over nine months to get that worked out.</p>
<p>And then they had a certified engineer to approve the design of the foundation, and that took forever. And they were screaming about who’s gonna pay the insurance when the artwork was shipped over here. Would Casto Salano (artist in Spain) pay it? Or would the city pay it? It was just tons of little things like that, just one after another that just had to be resolved.</p>
<p>And I don’t know why everybody kept saying to me – why didn’t you put this on private property? And my best story, I said, “Do you remember those Tango frogs they used to have on top of Tango?”</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> You bet.</p>
<div id="attachment_2267" style="width: 215px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2267" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Denise Joslin" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20200322_192605-205x300-1.jpg?resize=205%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="205" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2267" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Stevie Ray in his iconic poncho pose. A Mosaic by Denise Joslin. Donated to &#8220;Memories of Dallas&#8221;</em></p></div>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> When things got sold to Taco Cabana, they took those frogs down and sent them to Carl’s truck stop down in Hillsboro. I said that’s the problem with private property. If it’s ever sold, the new buyer can do whatever the hell he or she wants because ownership is ownership. If we build this thing on private property and it’s gets sold or repossessed or bankruptcy, whatever, that artwork will be gone. I’ve seen it happen before. I said, “If you put it on public property, it takes an act of congress to remove it,”</p>
<p>It is so hard it is to remove artwork from public property. It’s damn hard. And I wanted this thing to have some performance to it. And that was why I chose to go this route.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> It’d probably take a Mack truck to knock those babies over from what I’ve seen.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> You are probably right.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Wow. So, I guess we’re kinda coming here to the end. Is there anything else you wanted to tell me about some of your projects over the years?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Just that I’ve always enjoyed them. I’ve always enjoyed doing them. I’m just not rich yet. I’m hoping this Vaughan brother’s documentary will do well. It’s just not out there but just about there. We just got a million legal clearances. But I’m hoping it’ll be out by late April. But I’m thinking it will do well because we’ve got some star power in it.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Oh, yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby</strong>: We’ve got Eric Clapton, Billy Gibbons, Jackson Browne and so many more. We’ve got some great stories. But most importantly, people that see this film are gonna learn and see things about the Vaughan brothers that they did not know – something that’s never been published before, home movies, photographs. And the biggest thing we got is that it&#8217;s Jimmie Vaughan himself the story about he and Stevie. He’s never cooperated on any biography or film without Stevie ever. So, we’re the first ones to get him to open up and talk to us.</p>
<div id="attachment_2273" style="width: 210px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2273" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Vaughan Brothers Art Project and Mr. Jimmy Vaughan" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/90377352_2300744883558914_7228400504282284032_o-200x300-1.jpg?resize=200%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="200" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-2273" class="wp-caption-text">Jimmy Vaughan</p></div>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> I guess it helped that you have known him for so long.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yeah, but he was reluctant to about the issues. People don’t understand this. That’s his younger brother that died, and they shared a bedroom together as kids. And he grew up with his mom telling him to watch out for your little brother. Some people wanna criticize him for not doing more Stevie legacy, they just don’t understand. How would you feel if it was about one of your siblings?</p>
<p>How would you feel if somebody in your family died, and all of a sudden all these people are coming out printing T-shirts and selling them, making money? And you’re saying – wait a minute, that’s my brother.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> It&#8217;s really hard to imagine, especially when there is no relief in sight. The SRV saga will be right there alongside Jimmy V for the rest of his life. The good and the bad.</p>
<p>Well, I’ve seen the Vaughan Brothers documentary you did, and I thought you did an excellent job on it. I really did.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Thanks! Well, we’ve got it about ready for primetime now. We tightened it up a little bit. We had to cut some of it out and got it down to an hour and 46 minutes. Yeah, the first one I showed you was over two hours long.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Oh, yeah. I remember that.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> And I thought it was fine, but people’s opinions I trust told me, “You gotta get it under two hours.” You gotta do it. So, I went and did it because the people who told me, they were people’s opinions that I value.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> It hurt too, didn’t it, cutting that stuff out?</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Oh my god. Everything I cut hurt!</p>
<p>You’re taking the good stuff. If it was bad stuff, you wouldn’t have put it in there in the first place. You’re cutting good stuff. It’s painful.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> Yeah, it’s kinda like – well, in the endgame, what contributes the most to the whole story. So, it’s kinda one of these give and takes.</p>
<p>Well, listen, I know you’re a busy guy. I don’t wanna take up too much more of your time there, so, if you need me to make any announcements for you, let me know.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Hell, yeah. Let them know how to watch “When Dallas Rocked.” Because that’ll explain to them why this Vaughan brothers artwork is needed because that’s the first step in recognizing our music history in Dallas.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> I will add links to that and your other projects. And due to the Corona virus, the Vaughan Brothers Art Project dedication was delayed. We will put a notice up on “Memories of Dallas” when it is rescheduled.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Yes, sir. And Jimmy was coming for the original date on March 20th so we need the stars to align and get him there for the reschedule.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> And Kirby will be there too signing autographs.</p>
<p><strong>Kirby:</strong> Oh, yes. I’m driving in for it, yeah. All right, man. Thank you for your call and talk to you soon.</p>
<p><strong>Paul:</strong> All right, buddy. You take care.</p>
<div id="attachment_2238" style="width: 698px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-2238" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/65080727_10156437467543226_4123210514450874368_o-768x576-1.jpg?resize=688%2C516&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="688" height="516" /><p id="caption-attachment-2238" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Kirby on his windmill in Fort Stockton. Looking over his heard of wild javelinas that he runs with a lasso made of a dozen live rattlesnakes&#8230;</em></p></div>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/81989921_10156940349463226_1873530610723586048_n-768x672-1.jpg?resize=683%2C598&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="683" height="598" />Links to Kirby&#8217;s projects:</p>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/ondemand/borderbandits2/347761105">Border Bandits</a></p>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/ondemand/whendallasrocked?">When Dallas Rocked</a></p>
<p>You can also order a DVD for When Dallas Rocked from Kirby &#8211; Mail $24.95 to: Trans-Pecos Productions, P.O. Box 193, Fort Stockton, TX 79735</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Giant-Special-Various/dp/B00EF1PKTG/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Giant+DVD&amp;qid=1583507129&amp;sr=8-2">Return to Giant</a></p>
<p>Because he sold the documentary to Warner Brothers, Return to Giant is only available on bonus disc of the <i>Giant</i> DVD or Blu-Ray</p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/vaughanbrothersartproject/">The Vaughan Brothers Art Project</a></p>
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<p>Long before the idea of Louann's came around Lou and Ann Bovis were running the Falstaff Tavern in the English Village. Not too long after the Centennial kicked off, Ann's brother Anton Martinkus joined them. Anton was an old warhorse, serving under George C Patton long before he became General Patton. He knew him better at Major Patton back at Fort Sheridan. He stayed with Lou and Ann until WWII broke and he went back to kicking butt and taking names at places like the beachhead at Leyte.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>The Falstaff Tavern, Globe Theater </strong></em></h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>&amp; English Village at the Texas Centennial</strong></em></h1>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>by Paul Heckmann, Executive Director, <a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/">Memories Inc.</a></em></strong></h4>
<div id="attachment_1836" style="width: 605px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1836" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy of Sarah Reveley" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/TC-brochure-300x194-1.jpg?resize=595%2C385&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="595" height="385" /><p id="caption-attachment-1836" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Texas Centennial Exposition Brochure. Courtesy of Sarah Reveley</em></p></div>
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<p>The English Village was part of the Texas Centennial at the State Fair of Texas which ran from June 6th to November 29 of 1936.</p>
<div id="attachment_1837" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1837" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_115344-300x197-1.jpg?resize=300%2C197&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="197" /><p id="caption-attachment-1837" class="wp-caption-text"><em>An original configuration of the Centennial, early 1935</em></p></div>
<p>The Centennial itself was many years in the planning, going all the way back to a James Stephen Hogg speech of 1900, before pushing his agenda in 1923 at the Texas Press</p>
<div id="attachment_1840" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1840" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Pinterest" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/c314a4c8e5ac2c58e1c53619455fdebe-300x244-1.jpg?resize=300%2C244&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="244" /><p id="caption-attachment-1840" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Land being cleared for work on the Centennial 1935</em></p></div>
<p>Association in Corsicana. The Texas Centennial Survey Committee was subsequently established to remember the Texas Revolution and independence from Mexico, and also to establish Texas as a worldwide force.</p>
<p>The Texas Centennial Board of One Hundred was established in 1924 to start the exploration. A permanent Texas Centennial Commission was established in 1934. The board needed to decide on a city of which there were three. The folks that stepped to the plate were Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. The commission chose Dallas because it offered the existing State Fair facilities, unified leadership with folks like Robert Thorton and Nathan Adams and the largest commitment of nearly $8 million.</p>
<p>The State of Texas and US Congress each chipped in $3 million for the project. The US Post Office issued commemorative three-cent stamps and half-dollars to observe the anniversary. Many newspapers of the state issued special centennial editions.</p>
<p>The Commission worked with folks like the Advisory Board of Texas Historians, the Work Projects Administration, and the Texas Highway Department to coordinate programs and build permanent structures and markers all over the state, the Hall of State at The State Fair specifically being the one in Dallas</p>
<div id="attachment_1839" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1839" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_115507-300x235-1.jpg?resize=300%2C235&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="235" /><p id="caption-attachment-1839" class="wp-caption-text"><em>An early configuration showing new plans for Alamo Village</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1874" style="width: 160px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1874" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Joyce Heckmann" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/48393312_10156041659613226_433971930903609344_o-150x150-1.jpg?resize=150%2C150&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="150" height="150" /><p id="caption-attachment-1874" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Joyce Heckmann</em></p></div>
<p><strong><em>Joyce Heckmann: When I was 13 years old, Mary Frances McLaughlin and I journeyed to the Texas Centennial where we went on a stage to play our accordion duet, &#8216;Whispering Hope&#8217;. To the best of my recollection, my piano teacher was the one that got us up there. We had a great time, but to this day, still my only visit to the State Fair. </em></strong></p>
<p>George Dahl was director general of a group of architects who designed more than 50 buildings constructed for the expo in the 178 acres at Fair Park. Some 30 of the structures remain, representing one of the largest intact groupings of world&#8217;s fair buildings anywhere. The Texas Hall of State was one of those. It was actually not completed until after the opening of the expo.</p>
<div id="attachment_1841" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1841" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy TSHA and Dallas Morning News" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/s-l1600-300x197-1.jpg?resize=300%2C197&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="197" /><p id="caption-attachment-1841" class="wp-caption-text"><em>A DMN extravaganza on the new Exposition </em></p></div>
<p>The Central Exposition opened on June 6, 1936 at cost of over $25 million.</p>
<p>Among the buildings were the The Cavalcade of Texas, a historical pageant covering four centuries of Texas history and The Hall of Negro Life, the first recognition of African-American culture at a world&#8217;s fair. The Texas Centennial Olympics, held in the Cotton Bowl, hosted the first integrated public athletic competition in the history of the South. The Federal Theater Project production of Macbeth, adapted and directed by Orson Welles with an all-black cast, was the feature of the new 5,000 seat amphitheater and band shell. It was also the first integrated seating in the South.</p>
<p>President Franklin D. Roosevelt visited the exposition in a widely publicized event on June 12. Gene Autry&#8217;s film The Big Show was filmed on location and shows many of the buildings and events of the event.</p>
<p>But enough of the history lesson. That one could go on and on and on&#8230;</p>
<p>In my research of the &#8216;The History of Louanns&#8217;, I ran across some incredible goodies documenting the building, use and post-use of some of the properties in the Centennial, specifically the Falstaff Tavern and Globe Theater in the English Village and that is where this story shall focus.</p>
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<div id="attachment_1843" style="width: 749px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1843" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/V.38.3-Globe-Theatre-and-surrounding-area-768x586-1.jpg?resize=739%2C564&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="739" height="564" /><p id="caption-attachment-1843" class="wp-caption-text"><em>A view of the Globe from the air as you entered the Fair</em></p></div>
<p>Before the Centennial began, a group decided to put up a new concession at the Fair. The group was called English Concessions and it included the Falstaff Tavern, the Globe Theater and a shop called The Old Curiosity Shop. All this was part of the English Village. Some of the members of that concession were Harry P. Harrison, Lou Bovis and his wife Ann.</p>
<div id="attachment_1865" style="width: 698px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1865" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_113655-731x1024-1.jpg?resize=688%2C964&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="688" height="964" /><p id="caption-attachment-1865" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Permit application for the English Concession group</em></p></div>
<p>Even though the buildings built for the Globe Theater and the rest of the English Village were not part of the buildings meant to be permanent facilities, Chief Architect George Dahl spared no expense in doing them the right way:</p>
<div id="attachment_1850" style="width: 4138px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1850" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_112525-1600x1200-1.jpg?resize=1000%2C750&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="750" /><p id="caption-attachment-1850" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Schematics of the English Tavern</em></p></div>
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<div id="attachment_1849" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1849" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_113742-300x225-1.jpg?resize=300%2C225&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="225" /><p id="caption-attachment-1849" class="wp-caption-text"><em>George Dahl notes on the concessionaires Globe Theater</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1852" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1852" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_113601-300x266-1.jpg?resize=300%2C266&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="266" /><p id="caption-attachment-1852" class="wp-caption-text"><em>George Dahl notes on Landscaping for the English Village</em></p></div>
<p>Mr. Dahl&#8217;s hands were everywhere. From what I could tell, he was an extremely efficient planner.</p>
<p>The Dallas Globe Theater was a replica of the original Globe Theatre<em> (ye olde British spelling)</em> in London. It was built in 1599 by Shakespeare&#8217;s playing company, &#8216;The Lord Chamberlain&#8217;s Men&#8217;, on land owned by Thomas Brend and inherited by his son, Nicholas Brend and grandson Sir Matthew Brend, and was destroyed by fire on 29 June 1613. A second Globe Theatre was built on the same site by June 1614 and closed by an Ordinance issued on 6 September 1642.</p>
<p>The precise location was unknown until one original pier base was discovered in 1989 by the the Museum of London Archaeology beneath a car park at the rear of Anchor Terrace on Park Street. A modern reconstruction of the Globe, named &#8220;Shakespeare&#8217;s Globe&#8221;, opened in 1997 approximately 750 feet (230 m) from the site of the original theatre. From 1909, the current Gielgud Theatre was called &#8220;Globe Theatre&#8221;, until it was renamed in 1994.</p>
<p>But enough of that stuff from across the pond, let&#8217;s get to the real goodies.</p>
<div id="attachment_1911" style="width: 293px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1911" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_111044-283x300-1.jpg?resize=283%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="283" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1911" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Old Curiosity Shop note</em></p></div>
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<div id="attachment_1856" style="width: 973px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1856" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/V.86.39.22-Globe-Theatre.jpg?resize=963%2C567&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="963" height="567" /><p id="caption-attachment-1856" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The new and improved Texas version of the Globe Theater, Dallas style</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1858" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1858" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy of Chelle Bovis Banks and the Bovis and Martinkus families" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_114851-300x248-1.jpg?resize=300%2C248&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="248" /><p id="caption-attachment-1858" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Falstaff Tavern menu courtesy of the Bovis and Martinkus families</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1859" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1859" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy of Chelle Bovis Banks and the Bovis and Martinkus families" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_114910-300x251-1.jpg?resize=300%2C251&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="251" /><p id="caption-attachment-1859" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Falstaff Tavern menu courtesy of the Bovis and Martinkus families</em></p></div>
<p>Long before the idea of Louann&#8217;s came around Lou and Ann&#8217;s part of the English Village was running the Falstaff Tavern.</p>
<p>Not too long after the Centennial kicked off, Ann&#8217;s brother Anton Martinkus joined them. Anton was an old warhorse, serving under George C Patton long before he became General Patton. He knew him better at Major Patton back at Fort Sheridan. He stayed with Lou and Ann until WWII broke and he went back to kicking butt and taking names at places like the beachhead at Leyte.</p>
<div id="attachment_1927" style="width: 492px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1927" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Chelle Bovis Banks and the Bovis and Martinkus famlies " src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/courtesy-Chelle-Bovis-b.jpg?resize=482%2C772&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="482" height="772" /><p id="caption-attachment-1927" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lou Bovis Texas Expo Card</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1924" style="width: 502px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1924" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Chelle Bovis Banks and the Bovis and Martinkus famlies" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/courtesy-Chelle-Bovis-300x203-1.jpg?resize=492%2C333&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="492" height="333" /><p id="caption-attachment-1924" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Texas Expo Member Card</em></p></div>
<p>During the Centennial, the Falstaff Tavern in the English Village was host to celebrities like President Roosevelt, comedian Bob Hope and various football teams.</p>
<div id="attachment_1860" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1860" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy of Chelle Bovis Banks and the Bovis and Martinkus families" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/we4ry6-300x144-1.jpg?resize=300%2C144&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="144" /><p id="caption-attachment-1860" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Old Globe Theater ticket</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1862" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1862" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_113839-300x214-1.jpg?resize=300%2C214&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="214" /><p id="caption-attachment-1862" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Notes on the Air Conditioning at The English Village Tavern</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1861" style="width: 689px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1861" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/V.86.39.21-Globe-Theatre.jpg?resize=679%2C933&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="679" height="933" /><p id="caption-attachment-1861" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The &#8216;Air Cooled&#8217; Globe Theater</em></p></div>
<p>The Globe Theater was an interesting place. Folks had to love the fact that our Globe Theater, unlike Bill Shakespeare&#8217;s, was &#8216;Air Cooled&#8217;</p>
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<div id="attachment_1864" style="width: 710px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1864" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Lavonia Rorie and SMU Library " src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/state-fair-scrapbook-page-2.jpg?resize=700%2C867&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="700" height="867" /><p id="caption-attachment-1864" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Queen and her court courtesy of young girl Lavonia Rorie!</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1867" style="width: 1010px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1867" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Lavonia Rorie and SMU Library " src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/state-fair-globe-theatre-2-768x487-1.jpg?resize=1000%2C634&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="634" /><p id="caption-attachment-1867" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Globe had Shakespearean actors come in from across the nation.</em></p></div>
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<div id="attachment_1869" style="width: 394px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1869" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Texas Centennial Globe Theater courtesy Thomas Woods Collectons, Univ of Arizona" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Tx-Cent-Globe-Theater-courtesy-Thomas-Woods-Collectons-Univ-of-Arizona.jpg?resize=384%2C640&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="384" height="640" /><p id="caption-attachment-1869" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Texas Centennial Globe Theater courtesy Thomas Woods Collections, Univ of Arizona</em></p></div>
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<div id="attachment_1868" style="width: 643px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1868" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Globe-Theater.jpg?resize=633%2C386&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="633" height="386" /><p id="caption-attachment-1868" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Postcard of The Globe sold at The Centennial and around Texas</em></p></div>
<p>The Centennial closed Nov 29, 1936. Approximately 6,345,385 give or take came to Fair Park for the extravaganza. The Texas Centennial was credited in North Texas as buffering Dallas from the results of the Great Depression creating over 10,000 jobs and giving a $50 million boost to the local economy.</p>
<p>How hard was an attempt like this to pull off? Amon Carter had attempted to open a competing fair in Fort Worth called the Fort Worth Frontier Centennial Exposition, but the numbers tell the story, only 986,128 attended.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Texas State Historical Association" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FW-event.jpg?resize=639%2C419&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="639" height="419" /></p>
<p>But the story doesn&#8217;t end there&#8230;</p>
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<p>The Dallas exposition reopened the next year on June 12, 1937, as the Greater Texas and Pan American Exposition, and closed on October 31.</p>
<div id="attachment_1871" style="width: 234px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1871" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy of Chelle Bovis Banks and the Bovis and Martinkus families" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_115014-224x300-1.jpg?resize=224%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="224" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1871" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lou and Ann&#8217;s handwritten menu for Thanksgiving Dinner 1937</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1872" style="width: 216px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1872" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Historical Society" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_110736-206x300-1.jpg?resize=206%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="206" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1872" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The English Tavern with a familar name on the bottom</em></p></div>
<p>Lou and Ann purchased the Globe Theater and turned it into a dinner theater renaming it the English Tavern. Originally it had old wooden benches to replicate the Shakespearean days, but by 1939 those were long gone and tables and chairs replaced them to make it more of a theater-restaurant.</p>
<p>The Clemson/Boston College Cotton Bowl football teams, The Tone Poet, Leonard Keller, you never knew who you were going to run into there. All this would set the stage for a much bigger future club, with much bigger bands.</p>
<div id="attachment_1902" style="width: 607px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1902" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1939k-300x252-1.jpg?resize=597%2C502&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="597" height="502" /><p id="caption-attachment-1902" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Leonard Keller, the Tone Poet</em></p></div>
<p>Ann&#8217;s brother Anton fell in love and ended up getting married, right there on the stage with all the world to see!</p>
<div id="attachment_1905" style="width: 294px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1905" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Morning News" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Feb-1939-Marty-gets-married.jpg?resize=284%2C392&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="284" height="392" /><p id="caption-attachment-1905" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ann&#8217;s brother Anton married Celia on the stage at the English Tavern</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_1909" style="width: 306px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1909" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Pat Martinkus with a nod to the Bovis and Martinkus famlies" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/72317894_2425597851094482_6311963107333767168_n-224x300-1.jpg?resize=296%2C397&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="296" height="397" /><p id="caption-attachment-1909" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Anton and Celia at the English Tavern the night of their wedding</em></p></div>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Morning News" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1939.jpg?resize=249%2C886&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="249" height="886" /></p>
<p>To keep costs low, Ann and Lou lived in a small apartment there, saving up for what they hoped would be there pie-in-the-sky.</p>
<div id="attachment_1899" style="width: 695px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1899" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Chelle Bovis Banks and the Martinkus and Bovis families" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Lou-during-Pan-American-Expo-with-unknown-child-1938-9-685x1024-1.jpg?resize=685%2C1024&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="685" height="1024" /><p id="caption-attachment-1899" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lou Bovis during Pan American Expo with unknown child 1938-39</em></p></div>
<p><strong><em>Chelle Bovis says &#8220;What brought Lou and Ann Bovis to Dallas, as it did many others, was the 1936 Texas Centennial on the Fair Grounds where they operated the English Village outdoor dance spot and Falstaff Tavern restaurant and lived in a small apartment above their business. Both were avid golfers and Ann frequently found time to play a round with her friend Babe Didrikson, the 1932 Olympian who had taken up golf in 1935 and who later helped organize the Ladies Professional Golf Association (LPGA). Ann and Lou stayed on through the Pan-American Exposition in 1938 and 1939; and as it wound down, they began looking for land on which to build a permanent place.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
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<div id="attachment_1895" style="width: 698px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1895" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190328_112812-698x1024-1.jpg?resize=688%2C1009&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="688" height="1009" /><p id="caption-attachment-1895" class="wp-caption-text"><em>This 1936 document would come into play about now in 1937. After the State Fair was left with a &#8216;temp structure&#8217;. This is where Lou and Ann Bovis came in and made an offer to purchase the facility, which was a better deal for the State Fair than salvage, plus it alleviated the Fair from demo charges. The bits and pieces of the Globe became parts of the first superclub &#8220;Louann&#8217;s&#8221;</em></p></div>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Morning News" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Dec-1937-768x412-1.jpg?resize=688%2C370&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="688" height="370" /></p>
<p>So as 1939 approached, Ann and Lou started looking for a new spot to replace the one they were outgrowing. Longtime friend Mabel Caruth Byrd had a some land &#8216;way out of town&#8217;, far up the &#8216;Richardson Pike&#8217; and suggested they take a look-see. Lou and Ann fell in love with the area and staked out a claim at the corner of Lovers and Greenville, opening Louann&#8217;s in early 1940. It was a massive club sitting on a 5 acre plot with seating for 3,600 and a standing room crowd only of 6,000 came to see Lawrence Welk.</p>
<div id="attachment_1907" style="width: 288px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1907" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Dallas Morning News" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/March-1940.jpg?resize=278%2C640&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="278" height="640" /><p id="caption-attachment-1907" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The proposed &#8220;The Gay Nineties&#8221; Club at Lovers and Greenville </em></p></div>
<p>That however is another story.  If you haven&#8217;t read out stories on the complete history of the first superclub, Louann&#8217;s, told by the folk that worked there, lived there and their families, please check out the 4 part series:</p>
<p>&#8216;Louann&#8217;s&#8217; the first Superclub<br /><a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns1/">https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns1/</a><br /><a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns2/">https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns2/</a><br /><a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns3/">https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns3/</a><br /><a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns4">https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns4</a>/</p>
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<p><strong>And so much thanks to the Bovis and Martinkus families for all the contributions they have made. </strong></p>
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<p>So Whiskey River opens. Gatemouth Brown, Rusty Wier, Gary P. Nunn. We also had Ray Wylie Hubbard and Michael Martin Murphy. I had dinner with Michael at The Pawn Shop and he came over to Whiskey River and we really hit it off. B.W. Stevenson was there. Hoyt Axton. Delbert McClinton, Bees Knees, Shake Russell, Bugs Henderson all played there<br />
I’ll tell you one story - Paul McCartney from The Beatles came in one night. I think he was with Wings then. He was sitting with the Five Americans, I think Freddie King was playing that night.</p>
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<div id="attachment_1755" style="width: 474px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1755" data-recalc-dims="1" title="An Andy Hanson shot at SMU deGolyer" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/12.jpg?resize=464%2C307&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="464" height="307" /><p id="caption-attachment-1755" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Opening night at Whiskey River from the Dallas Times Herald files</em></p></div>
<p><em><strong>Drowning in a Whiskey River!</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Phil Weir &#8211; owner James Comedy, The Pawn Shop and Whiskey River</strong></em></p>
<p><strong><em>By Paul Heckmann, Executive Director, Memories Incorporated</em></strong></p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Hi Phil, my gosh, you are one busy man. Realtor, SCUBA instructor, international man of mystery</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Ha, all of the above. Good to hear from you,</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Same here. Phil, can you kind of tell me a little bit about where you are from?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: I was born in Columbus, Ohio, and then at about 6 years old we moved to Dayton, Ohio, for a year and a half. And then we moved to Omaha, Nebraska. I went to grade school there. And then we – junior high and high school, we moved to a suburb of Chicago called Downers Grove. And then I went to Miami of Ohio college three times.</p>
<p>I managed a bar in college at a place called The Board Head, which was like the busiest college bar at Miami. I ended up being a manager there.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I suspect there&#8217;s a story there, but that&#8217;s for &#8216;Memories of Miami Ohio&#8217;. Tell me more.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: I had a friend that I met in Fort Lauderdale. So this one time when I went to Fort Lauderdale for a weekend, then the weekend turns into spring break that turns into four months. I ended up quitting school. My parents weren’t real happy.</p>
<p>About that time a friend who was working back in Cincinnati called and so I ended going up there and running a beer garden called New Dilly Beer Garden.</p>
<div id="attachment_1776" style="width: 161px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1776" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy SMU Daily Digest" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1970c-151x300-1.jpg?resize=151%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="151" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1776" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Scene West ad</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Love the name.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: And then another friend of mine went to work for a company called The Scene Incorporated. They owned all these nightclubs with electric dance floors called The Scenes. And they had one in Dallas called The Scene West over by Weir’s Furniture.</p>
<p>They asked me if I would come down. They were having a problem with their manager and told me if I&#8217;d come down, I would be the manager. I quit everything and ended up going to Dallas, running The Scene West in 1971.</p>
<p>And after I got that one back in shape, I went back to Cincinnati where they had a place there kinda like Hooters. They were having a problem there so I went there and got it back in working order.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Interesting. And how did you make it back to Dallas?</p>
<div id="attachment_1740" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1740" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Daniel-at-James-Comedy-300x218-1.jpg?resize=300%2C218&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="218" /><p id="caption-attachment-1740" class="wp-caption-text"><em>&#8220;Daniel&#8221; playing at James Comedy</em></p></div>
<p>Phil Weir: I had become good friends with a fella that had a little clothing store at The Scene West, Tony Goble</p>
<p>He says &#8216;Hey, Phil, they just opened a Friday’s on Greenville Avenue. Dallas has now gone liquor by the drink, Let’s do a nightclub down there.&#8217;</p>
<p>So, I went back to Dallas. We drove by Lovers and Greenville, and there was some kind of a hillbilly bar and they were selling it. We connected to them and went in, this pinball machine company had their pinball machines there and also a camera machine.</p>
<div id="attachment_1741" style="width: 259px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1741" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy 20th Century Fox" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Gene-Tierney-and-Humphry-Bogart-in-Left-Hand-of-God-20th-Century-Fox-249x300-1.jpg?resize=249%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="249" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1741" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Gene Tierney and Humphrey Bogart in &#8216;Left Hand of God&#8217;</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I see.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: So we hit it off with these guys and they gave us a loan to open James Comedy in that building as long as we kept their products inside. So, we opened James Comedy on a $40,000 loan. I’ll never forget that.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And I remember you telling me the story about the name itself, which is a good one.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Yep, if you remember Charles Dubow, he was the designer. It was one of his first ones he did. He had pictures of Humphrey Bogart all over. So, I looked up Bogart one time and saw that he did one called &#8216;The Left Hand of God&#8217; where he played James Carmody. Not sure what I was thinking or how many beers I had drunk but I thought it was James Comedy. And that’s exactly how we came up with that name James Comedy.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, my gosh, that’s a good one. So, did people come in thinking it was a comedy club?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Not so much. Friday’s had just opened up across the street, then we opened up and folks were curious so within a couple weeks we were packed because we were rock and roll.</p>
<div id="attachment_1753" style="width: 250px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1753" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/ScreenHunter-1351-240x300-1.png?resize=240%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="240" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1753" class="wp-caption-text"><em>James Comedy ad</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: What were some of the groups that you had there?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Well, First State Bank was one of our regulars, Buster Brown, Vince Vance and the Valiants and also Headstone.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Tell me about the crowds that used to come in there.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Well, it was back in the 70’s, so I mean it was a bit of everything. We were one of the few rock and roll places at that time. There was disco and country. Not so much for rock and roll.</p>
<div id="attachment_1779" style="width: 242px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1779" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Phil Weir" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Phil-and-Snow-Blackerby-232x300-1.jpg?resize=232%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="232" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1779" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Phil and Snow Blackerby at the photo machine</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, this would be about what, 1972?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Yep.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay. And how long were ya’ll open?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: We were open until they changed the laws and let 18-year-olds buy liquor the next year. We were open for a couple months and then it kind of started going down. The older folks started leaving, the kids didnt spend money, the writing was on the wall.</p>
<p>And then we opened The Pawn Shop. Goebel had the idea, he wanted to do a Backgammon place there. So, we did that for a little bit and then that didn’t work very well. Then Tony did a magic place. That didn’t work either.</p>
<div id="attachment_1754" style="width: 259px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1754" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/24059141_1782137158476587_3559723647839157026_n-249x300-1.jpg?resize=249%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="249" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1754" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Pawn Shop matchbooks</em></p></div>
<p>But about that time I was living with Charlie Waters and Mike Montgomery. And Willie Nelson came to visit one night.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute! How did you get Charlie Waters and Willie Nelson in the same breath? Let me backtrack just a second here. You were roommates with Charlie Waters. Now tell me, how did that come about?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Charlie and Rex Kirby and Mike Montgomery had this house on Fair Oaks. And somehow they had an extra room when a roommate moved out. And Charlie, Rex and Mike used to come into James Comedy, which is where I met them. So, I moved in there for a while.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Wow, that’s pretty crazy.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: I know, man.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I was trying to figure out how a Dallas Cowboy, Charlie Waters and Willie Nelson got into that same sentence, if you know what I mean. So lets go back to the night Willie dropped by the house.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: You bet. So I says to Willie. &#8216;Hey, Willie, what if we opened a nightclub called Whiskey River and gave you one third ownership? Would that work?&#8217; And, of course, at that time he didn’t give a shit. And, he simply say &#8216;yeah.&#8217; And that was that.</p>
<p>And so we already had the location and some of the equipment and we through on a few coats of paint, a little bit of rustic stuff and that&#8217;s how it opened, Willie Nelson’s Whiskey River.</p>
<div id="attachment_1771" style="width: 483px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1771" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Andy Hanson photos at SMU deGolyer" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1-300x200-1.jpg?resize=473%2C316&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="473" height="316" /><p id="caption-attachment-1771" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Opening night at Whiskey River &#8211; Dallas Times Herald shots</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: All because Willie dropped by the house one day.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: All because Willie dropped by one day.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay, so you’ve met Willie Nelson, you’ve thrown out the pitch to him, that he&#8217;s gonna be a one third ownership. Now, tell me a little bit about how that thing kind of developed and what the format was, who came up with the business plan?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: What do you mean?</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I mean who put the plan together, the business plan?</p>
<div id="attachment_1763" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1763" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Phil Weir" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Here-is-Bob-Hope-and-Phil-Weir-at-Whiskey-River.-He-used-to-also-come-into-James-Comedy-often-back-in-the-day-300x218-1.jpg?resize=300%2C218&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="218" /><p id="caption-attachment-1763" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Phil with comedian Bob Hope at Whiskey River</em></p></div>
<p>Phil Weir: Yeah, I think we just kind of threw it together. You gotta remember back in those days it was pretty goofy. Yeah, there was a lot of drugs and alcohol involved too. So I guess you could simply say it was my idea and it worked.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So the club opens. Lets talk about some of the groups you had there, from what I could find, an absolutely incredible amount of talent. Gatemouth Brown, Rusty Wier, Gary P. Nunn. Wow!</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Yeah, we also had Ray Wylie Hubbard and Michael Martin Murphy. I remember Michael really well, great guy. I had dinner with him at The Pawn Shop and he came over to Whiskey River and we really hit it off. B.W. Stevenson was there. Hoyt Axton. Delbert McClinton, Bees Knees, Shake Russell, Bugs Henderson all played there</p>
<div id="attachment_1759" style="width: 137px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1759" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Phil-Weir-Paul-and-Linda-and-the-5-Americans-at-Whiskey-river.jpg?resize=127%2C130&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="127" height="130" /><p id="caption-attachment-1759" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Paul McCartney at WR with the Five Americans</em></p></div>
<p>I’ll tell you one story &#8211; Paul McCartney from The Beatles came in one night. I think he was with Wings then. He was sitting with Jay and the Five Americans, I think Freddie King was playing that night.</p>
<p><strong><em>Angus Wynne: My partner Jack Calmes once got Freddie King, whom we co-managed, to play an afternoon gig at Whiskey River for one of Freddie’s greatest admirers, Sir Paul McCartney, who remarked that he was “completely chuffed”, blown away, by the blues superstar.</em></strong></p>
<p>We had folks like Jim Dandy from Black Oak Arkansas all the way to old school comedian Bob Hope in the audience.</p>
<div id="attachment_1761" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1761" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/10-300x180-1.jpg?resize=300%2C180&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="180" /><p id="caption-attachment-1761" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Opening night at Whiskey River. Phil on the rail.</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So tell me something nobody else has ever heard about Whiskey River.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Well, there was a time that Willie was going to do three nights. He had never played there before so those tickets were hot! And we sold out every night.</p>
<p>And so the first night rolls around, he started out playing and then all of a sudden he wheels and throws his guitar at his sister, who was playing the piano.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: What? Why did he throw his guitar?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Because we did some THC.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, no, no, no!</p>
<div id="attachment_1762" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1762" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/tom-hanson-2-300x187-1.png?resize=300%2C187&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="187" /><p id="caption-attachment-1762" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Tom Hanson and the Valiants at WR</em></p></div>
<p>Phil Weir: And we were all so loaded, after he threw that guitar at his sister, we had to pull him offstage yelling and screaming. We cancelled the whole night because of that. We had to give the money back.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, no. What happened in the other two nights?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Yeah, I guess all was forgiven, they worked out fine. You know it was just crazy packed.</p>
<p>And another one nobody knows, Willie was doing a concert at North Texas State in Denton, and they had a pre-concert party up there that he wanted me to come to. And he said, &#8216;Hey, Phil why don’t you come take a ride my buddy Joe and I, and we’ll drive around a little bit before the concert&#8217;. And he tells me Joe is a car dealer from Austin.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: So, we drive the back roads snorting coke and smoking Thai sticks. He&#8217;s supposed to start the concert at 8:00 and we get there at 10:00. We go onstage and I sing Whiskey River with him. That will tell you just how stoned we were.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And I thought your were shy!</p>
<div id="attachment_1765" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1765" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Greg Box" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Courduroy-Cowboy-Companyh-with-Ray-Wylie-1974-from-Greg-Box-300x187-1.jpg?resize=300%2C187&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="187" /><p id="caption-attachment-1765" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Corduroy Cowboys with Ray Wylie Hubbard</em></p></div>
<p>Phil Weir: Anyway a few months later I get a call from my manager, he says, &#8216;Phil, you need to come down to the club&#8217;. And I went, &#8216;It’s 3:00 in the afternoon. We don’t open until 8:00. I&#8217;m like, why?</p>
<p>He said, &#8216;There are a couple guys here that want to talk to you and they are not taking no for an answer&#8217;. So, I go down there, walk in the club, and they open their badges, DEA. And they sit down with me and say &#8216;You can&#8217;t tell anybody that we talked to you. What about the night you and Joe Hicks and Willie Nelson rode around the back roads in Denton, Texas for two hours?&#8217;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m going, what? How do you know this? Then it turns out I&#8217;ve gotta go to the federal grand jury for the other guy that was in the car that I didnt even know was Joe Hicks. Turns out he was importing massive amounts of heroin from Vietnam in jeep tires and engine blocks</p>
<div id="attachment_1780" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1780" data-recalc-dims="1" title="A Ron McKeown photo, final source unknown" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/David-Allen-Coe-opening-night-Ron-McKeown-photo-300x207-1.jpg?resize=300%2C207&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="207" /><p id="caption-attachment-1780" class="wp-caption-text"><em>David Allen Coe and David Patton opening night</em></p></div>
<p>The good thing I guess, I didn’t know enough at the grand jury to go to trial. As it turns out Joe Hicks is still in prison today.</p>
<p><strong><em>Probably the biggest dealer snared by the law in recent memory is Joe Hicks, a heroin/cocaine smuggler who some law enforcement officials believe supplied 50 percent of the hard drugs to the black community here. Hicks’ operation was sophisticated, employing 12 couriers and an intricate smuggling scheme between Bangkok and Dallas.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Described as “a used car salesman,” Hicks began dope smuggling in the wake of the Vietnam war. He set up a salvage operation for military vehicles as his front, found a cab driver in Bangkok to supply him with pure Asian white heroin and began smuggling the contraband through Los Angeles in the tires and engine parts of the vehicles. W</em><em>hat started on a shoestring quickly grew to an organization that accounted for the smuggling and sale of 200 kilos (440 pounds) of heroin and cocaine in two short years.  </em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Courtesy D Magazine 1977</em></strong></p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, my gosh. Doesnt sound like knowing Willie was very healthy for you. Just think if you all had got busted in that car, no telling where you would have been, man.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: I know.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I mean you can come back from like the marijuana or even cocaine, but heroin is another matter.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Exactly, yes.</p>
<p>Anyway, the drugs and alcohol were tearing me up. I remember one-night driving home in my Porsche and I was going like 130 and I went through a barbwire fence backwards, end up in a farm field.</p>
<div id="attachment_1768" style="width: 2058px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1768" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Tom Hanson" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Backup-1024x768-1.jpg?resize=1000%2C750&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="750" /><p id="caption-attachment-1768" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Whiskey River Belt Buckle courtesy of Tom Hanson from his Valiants days</em></p></div>
<p>Phil Weir: Then I guess let’s see, was it summer of ’76? And then all hell broke loose</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay. And what happened there, Phil?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: I had moved out of Charlie&#8217;s place and was living in a house that was owned by Clint Murchison. It was north of LBJ and had a swimming pool and everything. It was a GE Home of the Future at the Texas State Fair, they moved it out to this 35-acre parcel that Clint Murchison owned</p>
<p>I had this girl come over and we got pretty loaded and I passed out. Then she went home to her boyfriend and said she was at Phil Weir’s house doing cocaine and so he called the vice squad. And so at 9:00 in the morning I am still passed out and BAM BAM, there go both bedroom doors. And they came in and freeze, MF, or we’re gonna blow your head off.</p>
<p>And they searched that whole house and found a quarter of a gram of cocaine in the attic. So, anyway, I went to jail that night or that morning, I mean, it was a Thursday morning and I got bailed out by a bail bondsman that was a friend of mine. And then Friday morning it made the frontpage of Dallas Morning News, &#8216;Club Operator Busted &#8211; Phil Weir. Owner of Whiskey River with Willie Nelson, was apprehended with unknown quantities of drugs.&#8217;</p>
<p>And it turned out that I had used to play racquetball with three assistant district attorneys in Dallas County. So, one of them being Bill Hill, who ended up being the DA of Dallas County for 25 years. Bill had gone into private practice and he took my case.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So the pooh hits the fan. And how did that turn out?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: I remember when the judge said, Mr. Weir, I sentence you to two years in the state penitentiary.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, wow.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: In Huntsville, Texas. I thought I was gonna die. And then he pauses a minute to let it sink in and goes, &#8216;sentence suspended&#8217;.</p>
<p>I cannot tell you the relief there. And then he said, Mr. Weir, I understand you have permission to move to Aspen, Colorado. I&#8217;m aware of the sin in Pitkin County, he said. And then he goes, you better keep your nose clean. Eyes are on you.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Yeah, this was all ’76. So, you were still a part owner of Whiskey River, though, right?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: I let go of my ownership of the club and I moved everything to Aspen and started over.</p>
<div id="attachment_1783" style="width: 233px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1783" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Phil Weir" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/71181324_10220457911984394_6797510564600872960_n-223x300-1.jpg?resize=223%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="223" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-1783" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Phil from his print days</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, man. So, okay, you have – you&#8217;re in Aspen now. Now, how did you end up down in Central America?</p>
<div id="attachment_1767" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1767" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Phil Weir" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/TBT-Knots-Landing-star-Donna-Mills-and-guess-who-300x210-1.jpg?resize=300%2C210&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="210" /><p id="caption-attachment-1767" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Donna Mills and Phil at his restaurant in Aspen</em></p></div>
<p>Phil Weir: Oh, well, I got so – there were restaurants and real estate in Aspen and then I got sober in ’84 and was still helping with the restaurant and selling real estate. And then I got involved in mountain rescue and that Aspen Mountain Rescue, became an Aspen Leader.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Wow.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: In 1990 I went with a friend of mine down to the Bay Islands, where Roatan is, to an island called Cayos Cochinos. I went down there diving and the guy that owned it was from Louisiana, an older man. And he wanted to sell it, so I came back to Aspen and I raised $400,000 to buy it. I had eight investors. And one week before it was supposed to happen, the guy called me and said, Phil, I sold to someone else. I was devastated.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Yeah.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: So, I opened a restaurant called The Silver City Grill in Aspen.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: And I ran it through the winter of ’90 and the spring of ’91 three other people and myself went to Borneo scuba diving.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay.</p>
<div id="attachment_1766" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1766" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Phil Weir" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Turks-and-Caicos-1988-MA-Schiller-Phil-Weir-Jim-Landis-300x197-1.jpg?resize=300%2C197&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="197" /><p id="caption-attachment-1766" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Phil and his diving partners</em></p></div>
<p>Phil Weir: And we came back from that and I said, you know what, hey, I&#8217;m gonna sell this restaurant. I&#8217;m gonna go become a scuba instructor. And I ended up in Destin, Florida, for two months, became a scuba instructor, and called the guy who bought this – that resort out from under me. I called him up, said, hey, my name is Phil Weir; I was the guy bidding against you.</p>
<p>And he goes, I know who you are. Bob Braudis, who was the sheriff of Pitkin County, where Aspen is for 20 years as sheriff, he was just here on a sailboat and told me all about you. And I went, &#8216;what? You gotta be kidding me!&#8217;</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: It’s a small world. Oh, my gosh.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: So, I said, well, you wouldn’t by chance need a scuba instructor? And he said, you know, Phil, as a matter of fact, I do. And I was there in two weeks.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, wow.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: And I spent 20 months on that island of this resort and then one day I went over to Roatan to Anthony’s Key Resort. And the manager came up to me and said, hey, Phil. How can I get you over here to run our dive operation? And I said, what? Pay me. And I ended up going over there and working at Anthony’s Key Resort. Then we built the first scuba school on the island and became the PADI course director.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, wow.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: The guy that taught instructors to teach. And then I started the real estate association on Roatan because nobody was working together. The Roatan Realtors Association. And at 54 I met a 21-year-old island girl, got married, and had kids. And in 2008, said we need to move back to Colorado for school and sports for the kids and then moved back here.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Isn’t that amazing?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Yeah.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And just think, if you had got busted with that heroin dealer, that stigmata would have followed you and probably none of all the great things would have happened.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: I know.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, I&#8217;m so happy for you, my friend. I really am, I really am. They say things turn out the way they are supposed to turn out and you are a prime example.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Oh yea. I mean I got great kids. My daughter, who is graduating, she&#8217;s a student body president, 4.3 grade average. Four years varsity soccer. She&#8217;s got a full academic scholarship to Washington University in St. Louis. And she&#8217;s gonna do premed because it’s one of the top premed medic schools in the country. And my son is a sophomore and I got another daughter that’s in fourth grade. And my wife got her citizenship and she works for the school district here at the special ed program. Life is good.</p>
<div id="attachment_1757" style="width: 2058px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1757" data-recalc-dims="1" title="Courtesy Phil Weir" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20451973_10214068904223193_4039985857454287837_o-1024x768-1.jpg?resize=1000%2C750&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="750" /><p id="caption-attachment-1757" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Phil, his wife, daughters and son</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: That is absolutely incredible. Phil, thank you for your time so much, buddy. I will let you know when this thing gets published.</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Sounds great.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Hey, you take care, okay?</p>
<p>Phil Weir: Thanks for doing this.</p>
<p>But before you leave, let me tell you something &#8211; I love what you guys are doing at Memories of Dallas. You are documenting so many of our old memories that nobody else ever gave a damn about. Without you, they would be long gone. I&#8217;m a huge fan.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann:  I cannot tell you what that means. Thank you very much Phil. And stay tuned, there is so much more to come!</p>
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<p>Okay, okay, you meant to go to the 1969 but life got in the way… you were overseas fighting in that crazy Asian war, the wife wouldn’t let you go because of all the hippie chicks, you were not quite a hippie chick yet, your mom hid the keys to her station wagon, the dog ate your tickets or the worst excuse ever, you weren’t born yet! No more excuses friends! Labor Day Weekend 2019!</p>
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<p>Okay, okay, you meant to go to the 1969 but life got in the way&#8230; you were overseas fighting in that crazy Asian war, the wife wouldn&#8217;t let you go because of all the hippie chicks, you were not quite a hippie chick yet, your mom hid the keys to her station wagon, the dog ate your tickets or the worst excuse ever, you weren&#8217;t born yet!</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>No more excuses friends!</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Labor Day Weekend 2019!</strong></em></p>
<p>And now Memories of Dallas is a sponsor. Yeppers. 21,600 plus folks from Memories are gonna be there screaming and yelling for more beer! More music! Come back for an encore Dusty! Where is the dancing bear? Alan Kaye is Joe Cocker come down from Heaven just to play this gig! Love ya Edgar!</p>
<p>Who else is gonna be there? ZZ Top, Chicago, Grand Funk Railroad, Edgar Winter, John Mayall, The Box Tops, Sara Jaffe, Alan Kaye aka Joe Cocker, Bombasta, Animotion, Glen Clark, Shiva&#8217;s Headband, Jonathan Tyler and the Northern Lights and Bombasta!</p>
<p>Courtesy of the folks from the City of Lewisville and Wynne Entertainment!</p>
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<p>Don&#8217;t be the person at the watercooler on September 2nd that doesn&#8217;t have anything to say because they weren&#8217;t there&#8230;</p>
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<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/350207326">Texas International Pop Festival 2019</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user8804510">Jim Gerik</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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<p>Back when we were kids, we would to go down to Dowdy Ferry Road years ago with our pistols. And we would shoot at the cottonmouths. We probably killed half the cottonmouth population over on Dowdy Ferry. Dan was always looking for something that’s a little bit more unique. And so, that was one. It was like 'Dowdy Ferry Road' was short, and every other song we had was like, “I’d Really Love to See You Tonight,” “Nights Are Forever Without You,” “We Don’t Ever Have to Say Goodbye” it was like, geez, let’s just pick something that’s three words.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Dowdy Ferry Road, </strong></h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>the </strong><strong>John Ford Coley Story</strong></h1>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>By Paul Heckmann, Executive Director Memories Incorporated</em></strong></h3>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>Edited by Mary Newton Maxwell and Scott Matthews</em></strong></h3>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Greeting John, Paul here from Memories of Dallas!</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Thanks so much for calling.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Growing up in Dallas. How your music career started. Tell me, tell me everything!</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: You bet.</p>
<p>I guess you could say I got my musical aptitude from church and my parents. They both sang in our church choir and daddy played violin.</p>
<p>I played a little bit of piano, there was a grand piano that I used. But I didn&#8217;t really have lessons before I finally committed to training. Ed Cole trained me on the real way to play. We had a deal where I would play in his classic competitions and he would teach me how to play my first love, rock and roll.</p>
<p>I used to love the Doo Wop, then the Beach Boys came along and Buffalo Springfield – and of course The Beatles. I&#8217;ve never stopped appreciating new music trends, but I guess my first and most influential loves would be classical and then church music.</p>
<p>The Beach Boys might have been the most influential. I saw them in concert when I was young. I really loved the way they combined Doo Wop and Pop. Brian Wilson was a genius</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And you changed your name.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Yes, it kinda made sense as nobody got &#8216;Colley&#8217; right anyway, and adding &#8216;Ford&#8217; gave it some flow.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And how did you meet Dan?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Although we went to the same school, our paths had simply never crossed. Dan actually would leave the school at about 11am because he was in a school work program. The first time I remember meeting him was when we both went to audition for a band.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: He was a year ahead of you, wasn’t he?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: That is correct.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Did you happen to know his brother Jim while you were at Samuell HS?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: He was a bit older, but I did meet him later when we toured with Seals and Croft.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Found this little tidbit on Dan and Jim&#8217;s father. His dad&#8217;s name was Wayland Seals and was a rockabilly singer. Worked in bands for Ernest Tubbs and Bob Wills at one time or another-</p>
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<p>John Ford Coley: Very cool. Several members of his family were in music. Jim was a member of The Champs for several years.</p>
<p>Getting back to Dan, he had joined a band called the &#8216;Playboys Five&#8217;. They were looking for a keyboard player but Dan wanted a guitar player. The band hired me as a keyboardist, and Dan wasn&#8217;t happy. We didn&#8217;t get along until we found our common interest, harmonizing. Dan would always take the lead and I would take harmony. It was really kinda magical the way it all worked ou.</p>
<p>The band morphed into &#8216;Theze Few&#8217;.</p>
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<p>We cut a couple of records but we eventually all that changed and we became Southwest F.O.B.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-recalc-dims="1" class="alignleft" title="Theze Few, Irving Daily News, March 30, 1967" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Theze-Few-Irving-Daily-News-Mar30_1967-230x300-1.jpg?resize=230%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="230" height="300" />Paul Heckmann: Of course anyone that remembers “England Dan and John Ford Coley” knows that you guys were always pickers. However I read that said neither you nor Dan actually played guitar in Southwest F.O.B.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: That is correct. Dan played sax and I played organ. And the interesting thing about it I was trained with all the different beats, very much an eclectic musical background. We started off with the pops stuff, Beach Boys and all of that. And then you end up going to the soul era, where we did the current pop stuff, and then we ended up doing the psychedelic stuff. But we actually ended up playing something like fusion jazz.</p>
<p>As for FOB, it was really about five boys who grew up in that band and the journey that turned them into men, of sorts. Rich Richardson owned this company, and he’s the one that came up with the name. FOB stood for “freight-on- board” which we all got a kick out of at the time.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Definitely something different!</p>
<p>So things are starting to take off a bit, you are playing all over Dallas and spreading out a bit into other areas. And about this time you had your first big hit, &#8220;Smell of Incense&#8221;.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Oh yea. let me tell you a funny story about that.</p>
<p>We would play at Louann’s all the time. And they had various acts that would come in. And so this group came in that was called the &#8216;West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band&#8217;, and they were really, really good. They had come out of San Francisco during the psychedelic period. And so, we got hold of one of their record, liked it a lot and wound up recording something similar called &#8216;Smell of Incense&#8217;.</p>
<p>Many years later, long after I was part of the Three Dog Night when Jimmy Greenspoon was the organ player. I was talking with Jimmy one night, and we were talking about the experiences that we had. And I said, I was in this group back in Dallas<i><b>, we</b></i> had this song called &#8216;Smell of Incense;</p>
<p>And he said, &#8216;That was you!&#8217; And I said, &#8216;Yeah&#8217;. And he goes, &#8216;John, I was playing keyboards and the organ for the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band. I was wondering who recorded our song!&#8217;</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, my God! Sometimes a small world isn&#8217;t quite big enough.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Ha! (laughs)</p>
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<p>Anyway, Dan and I were growing out of the group thing. We used to stand around and sing <em>Everly Brothers</em> and <em>Righteous Brothers</em> songs. I had the higher voice so it was harmony for me. That was what I had learned in church, so that training probably sent me down that path.</p>
<p>So around 1970 we split from Southwest FOB and started singing in folk clubs in the Dallas area. Eventually we ended up in Southern California.</p>
<p>We would show up at the record companies with our songs, just the two of us with our guitars. They would look at us and go, &#8216;What are you guys? Are you country? Are you pop, rock, classical – well, what are you?&#8217;</p>
<p>And we’d go, &#8216;Yup, pretty much.&#8217; and smile.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Well, that’s true, because in those days, you had to fit into a slot. There were Pop stations, Country stations, R&amp;B Stations. Not a lot of crossover. There was no such thing as &#8216;Young Country&#8217; or &#8216;Soft Rock&#8217;</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Exactly. And so they were trying to put us in that little hole, and when they couldn’t put us in a hole, we simply didn&#8217;t fit. It took us a long time to get a recording contract because of it.</p>
<p>Even now, I’ve got a new CD that’s called Eclectic, and the reason is, because once again, I don&#8217;t fit into a neat little hole. I usually tell people it&#8217;s Lithuanian disco polka rap to get their attention. It’s all over the place musically, because that’s just how I play.</p>
<p>Anyway we kept pushing and ended up with a music contract with A&amp;M records about a year later</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And I saw you had a lot of heartache there when you broke away from FOB until Herb Alpert came along.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Louis Shelton, who was part of the Wrecking Crew out in Los Angeles, had played with Dan&#8217;s brothers band, Seals and Crofts. He was looking for someone to produce, and we had played at the Ice House. So, he got a tape from us and sent it to Herb Alpert, and he said, &#8216;It&#8217;s a cross between Simon and Garfunkel and the Beatles&#8217;. And Herb said, &#8216;We don’t really have room for that&#8217;. So, he said, &#8216;Well, take the tape. Listen to it. Tell me what you think&#8217;. And the story goes that Herb was shaving. He was listening to the tape. He shoved the tape off, wiped the shaving cream off his face, called Louis, and said, &#8216;Get them out here!&#8217;</p>
<p>So, that was how we ended up. And I tell you what, I loved Herb Alpert. That man was one of the last true musicians in the production side of the music industry at that time. And he was so helpful. Even when I went back later when Dan and I had split, he helped me out. I had nothing but admiration for that man.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, you’re now with Herb Alpert. He’s helped you make a breakthrough, here. You start touring with Three Dog Night and Elton John.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Yes. We actually started off with Carole King, this was during her Tapestry album time. She was on the same label, and she was doing a deal with the Troubadour, and they said, &#8216;Well come on, you’re playing with her for a week&#8217;. And things just started falling in place.</p>
<p>So, we’re working with the hottest musician in the world right now, Carole King.</p>
<p>And then we get a call from Elton’s people, and they said, Elton wants you guys to come with him to England, for a month. He’s touring there. So, we were like, betcha by golly, you bet we will be there. And we’re over there for a month about that time we had a number one song in Japan, a thing called “Simone.” </p>
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<p>And Dan and I were just so happy to be there. Three Dog Night, and played, and we were just happy to be playing with Three Dog Night again. That was a great tour. We really loved working with those guys.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, I’ve seen Atlantic almost passed on arguably your top hit, “I’d Really Love to See You Tonight.” Can you tell me that story? I’d love that.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Actually, they did. The thing is, Susan, our manager, had a good relationship with Bob Greenberg over there. And so, Bob kept the door open all the time, and was waiting for this magical hit to come through the door. And so, she walks him through, and she and I played it for him. And after she played it for him, before they could discuss anything, there was a knock on the door. And two guys walked in. And it was Doug Morris and Dick Vanderbilt from Big Tree Records. And so, Bob introduced them; they were subsidiary with Atlantic.</p>
<p>They ask &#8216;Bob, what do you think of that song?&#8217; And Bob looks at Susan, and goes, &#8216;Well, Susan, I’m going to pass&#8217;. And she’s dejected. And then Dick Morris says, &#8216;You sure you’re going to pass on that song?&#8217; And he goes, &#8216;Yeah, we’re going to pass this. I’m sorry.&#8217; And Morris looked at her, and said, &#8216;Susan, we want the song!&#8217;</p>
<p>They had heard the whole thing through the wall!</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Who knows what would have happened, if that hadn’t been heard through the wall? It would have sat on a shelf along with the 10,000 other tunes they rejected.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Well, I’ll tell you the truth. I’m one that does not believe in coincidences, for what it’s worth. If something doesn’t happen, or does happen, there’s definitely a specified reason why it did or didn’t happen. So, I don’t get upset. But it took me just a little while to learn that. But these days, I’m moving on either way. </p>
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<p>Paul Heckmann: So, now I’ve got one that’ll bring you back to Texas. How did you guys choose &#8216;Dowdy Ferry Road&#8217; for the name of the one album?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Well, first of all, it was a great song, Dan wrote it.</p>
<p>Back when we were kids, we would to go down to Dowdy Ferry Road years ago with our pistols. And we would shoot at the cottonmouths. We probably killed half the cottonmouth population over on Dowdy Ferry.</p>
<p>Dan was always looking for something that’s a little bit more unique. And so, that was one. It was like &#8216;Dowdy Ferry Road&#8217; was short, and every other song we had was like, “I’d Really Love to See You Tonight,” “Nights Are Forever Without You,” “We Don’t Ever Have to Say Goodbye” it was like, geez, let’s just pick something that’s three words.</p>
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<p>Paul Heckmann: So, things are really starting to fly along. You had, let’s see here, six top 40 singles between 1976 and ’79. The ones you mentioned, along with “It’s Sad to Belong,” “Gone Too Far,” and “Love is the Answer.”</p>
<p>Now, you come up in 1977, you are Grammy nominated for “I&#8217;d Really Love to See You Tonight”. And I sat there, and I went back to look for the songs that you were up against in 1977. So, you had “Don’t Go Breaking My Heart,” with Elton John Ford Coley and Kiki Dee. “Bohemian Rhapsody” with Queen. “Afternoon Delight” with Starlight Vocal Band. And then the one that won it that year was “If You Leave Me Now,” by Chicago. Those were some heavyweights right there.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: They were great songs.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: God, what a great year for music.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Yes, it was. &#8216;I&#8217;d Really Love to See You Tonight” got all the way to #2. Well, the only question that we would get, do you remember which song hit the No. 1 spot? I’d grin and go, &#8216;Y&#8217;up. “Play That Funky Music, White Boy.”</p>
<p>You know what, we were just so darn thankful just to be in the game, because we had gone through these lame years. We’d played with everybody in the world and toured with many of them.</p>
<p>And then there was the time we got a call to be on Johnny Carson. There was a group that was going to be on Johnny and ended up having to cancel. So we got the call. Gabe Kaplan from “Welcome Back Kotter” was covering for Johnny <img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-recalc-dims="1" class="alignright" title="Courtesy John Ford Coley" src="https://i0.wp.com/memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/England_Dan_and_John_Ford_Coley_1976.jpg?resize=220%2C206&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="220" height="206" />as the host. Anyway, we were using the house band to back us up on “Sad to Belong”. They were playing it about half speed. I just stopped about halfway through the song. They were ticked off, &#8216;you don&#8217;t do that, this is a live show. (chuckles) We were never asked back. They were taking 7 minutes to play a 2 minute song!</p>
<p>Anyway, we go out on tour with Bread. Our manager gives us a call. She and I do not get along.</p>
<p>So, she gets a call from the agent she is there, and he goes, &#8216;What did John and Dan say to Dave Gates of Bread?&#8217; And she went, &#8216;Oh, my goodness, no, it was probably John Ford Coley if anything bad was said. What happened?”</p>
<p>And he’s just like, &#8216;I got a call from David this morning. He says they weren’t going to book them out on the road unless you get Dan and John Ford Coley to open for us&#8217;. And she said, &#8216;Oh, it was probably Dan then!&#8217;</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Your reputation precedes you!</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Being out on the road like that for so many years, with people who had the experience and young blood. You learn how to live on the road. Elton John&#8217;s big deal, &#8216;Don&#8217;t Be Late!&#8217; I mean, you know… You’re not late. When we say, we’re leaving at 9:00, you better be there at ten ‘til. Okay? That’s it. You’re responsible. So, you really learn how to live on the road.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And how did that work out?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: We learned the lesson the hard way. We missed a train going from London to Newcastle upon Tyne. And, unfortunately, it happened to be quite a distance away from London. And we got there late, and we missed the show. We actually missed the whole thing! I mean, how was I to know that English trains would follow German efficiency? And 9:02 means 9:02, not 9:03. So, you learn for airplanes and everything else, they don’t wait.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, tell me, but how did Elton respond to that?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: They were all pretty ticked at us, and deservedly so. It was our fault. We just got there late, and thought we could make it, but simply didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So you are around all these different groups, which one was your favorite group to work with, before you started touring with Seals and Crofts?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: I loved all of them. And I think that they all brought their own personalities to it, and they were fun in different ways. Jeff Beck, Collin, Neil Young, and Three Dog Night, and Carole King, she was such a sweetheart. There’s only one or two groups that I did not click with. But most of these guys? It’s like saying, who do you like best? Your mama or your daddy? If Elton were to call right now, and say, If want you to come out here and play, I wouldn’t ask him how much. I wouldn’t ask him where I’m going. I’d just say, &#8216;Whoo, yeah! I&#8217;ll be there!&#8217;</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Now, I have read that “Soldier in the Rain” is probably your favorite tune from your duo days. Would that be correct?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: That would be correct. I think probably of all the songs that I was blessed enough to write, if I never got to write another song, that one would completely satisfy me.</p>
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<p>Paul Heckmann: Some folks have called it a protest song, yet I understand you don&#8217;t agree.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Well, it’s not. As a matter of fact, a couple of years back, I was on YouTube looking and somebody had put that song up. And they had written a comment that said that this is a perfect example of an anti-military song during the Vietnam War era. And I wrote them back, and I said, &#8216;Well, first of all, it’s not a protest song. We used to put on some of the biggest military support shows in your cities, so you got your information incorrect. I said, what this song is about, is that when soldiers go out, a lot of times there’s the anticipation of the glory and all the things that go on, but when you’re out there, there’s the reality of it.&#8217;</p>
<p>When you come home, it’s not what you left. You may dream about it, you may have all these fond memories, but people change. Situations change. You’ve changed. And it can be quite depressing, and you actually want to be back with the soldiers that you were with, because you had somebody back in Europe all the time. And you find yourself alone, so that’s pretty much what this song is about, is coming home, and having to deal with it not being what you left, and what you were longing for.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: That makes sense. Did you serve, John?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: I did not. I was listed to go up. My number was up there because of the draft, I went in and they said, &#8216;have you ever had high blood pressure before?&#8217; And because of that, I ended up not being able to serve. But I tell you what, I certainly did have admiration for those that did serve.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I love the fact that you guys started touring with Dan&#8217;s brother and his group Seals and Crofts. How did that come about?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Well, we were with the same company, they were trying to keep us all working. Seals and Crofts were hot at that time. They were doing very, very well. So, there were a couple of different groups that they tried but with Jimmy and Danny being brothers, that was something special.</p>
<p>But I’ll tell you, they were some of the best people that Susan Cross were able to get. They had a couple of brothers Jeff and Mikey. Both of them ended up playing with Poco. Jeff ended up doing the demo on, “I’d Really Love to See You Tonight,” for us. And Mike was really, probably, one of the nicest guys. He ended up dying of ALS a couple of years ago.</p>
<p>But he came to Dan and me, not I one time, we were playing, just the two of us, and he said, I want to play bass for you guys. And we said, Mike, man, that’d be great, but we just don’t have the money to pay you. And he said, I just want to play with you. I don’t want to get paid. We went, wow! What a cool guy! So, they had some good people like that.</p>
<p>And then our guitar player from the Southwest F.O.B., we introduced him to Jimmy and Dash over at Seabirds. He ended up playing guitar for Seals and Crofts for about four years or so.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So tell me about the back-up band that you traveled with.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: It was actually Ovid Stevens, a group called Shadowjack with Greg Orwell was drums, John Reno on bass, and Michael Nash on keyboards, and Bubba on vocals and guitar. And Bubba had played with the James Gang. So we had those five guys, and then Dan and I. I played piano and guitar. Dan played sax and guitar.</p>
<p>What a great time, a fun group. We toured with those guys, gosh, about four years.</p>
<p>And I can’t keep up with Ovid. I just saw him a couple of months ago at Poor David&#8217;s Pub in Dallas. I always loved having Ovid come in and play. So, it’s nice to be able to connect with old friends like that.</p>
<p>But we play, quite a number of shows like that. I’ve bumped into Ambrosia a lot. And they always back everybody up. So, I come up, I play four songs, and then I go back and eat, that’s pretty much how it goes, yeah.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Playing for your food. It goes back to the old days.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Absolutely. The thing is, they always say, we want to put you in this slot. And I go, no, man, look. I play piano. Let me play first. I don’t mind opening at all, and that way, you strike the keyboard, because everybody else either stands up and plays guitar, or just stands up and sings. Strike the keyboard. But what I’m really saying is, guys, the food’s still hot by the time that I’m done, okay? So, I go into the back, and I eat all I want!</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: You are the troubadour.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Absolutely, man, you know. And I got an agenda, and it’s pretty out there, you know?</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: It’s a smart one. You don’t need the spotlight anymore, and that’s the great part about it, you know?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: No, man. You know, the spotlight –something supposed to be here?</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Been there, done it!</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Yup.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay, so, your duo days are over. Dan has moved on to country music, and I know that wasn’t really your forte in those days. What comes next for you?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: I wasn’t blessed with the great country voice that Dan had. I have always leaned more toward rock or folk. So, he went into Country music and I headed to film as an actor and also put songs into different films. I really enjoyed doing that. Although I was raised watching and listening to people like Porter Wagoner and Buck Owens I didn’t really play much of it. I only came into the Country music genre in the 90’s</p>
<p>Well, I stumbled around for a little while, trying to figure out precisely what I was going to do. And then I ended up getting called on the phone. It was an old buddy of mine, Alex Rocco. And Alex had played Moe Green in The Godfather. He was the guy who was the gangster that got shot in the eye on the massage table?</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Yeah, I know exactly who you’re talking about!</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: So, the thing with Bo is – Alex Rocco, we called him Bo. And his son was starting to do a film. He wanted to do his directorial debut. And so, Bo’s calling all of his favorites. Steve Railsback who played Charles Manson, Helter Skelter, and Joel Pantoliano, who ended up going to Sopranos, and Goonies, and all those films. And so, he’s pulling us in. It’s a rock band thing, so I had to learn to play drums. And they pulled in Timothy Schmit, because, The Eagles are broken up, and Timothy is wondering what is next.</p>
<p>And I had played with Timothy in Poco, so I knew him pretty well. So, they ended up getting a couple of other actors, and it was my first film. And I had the best time of my life, because they kept feeding me lines, because I was very improvisational. And there’s lines written on the page, and you look at that, and it finally clicks, those are just a guideline.</p>
<p>They had a lot of day players, so you’ve always got people coming in for two days, maybe three days, whatever. And so, Pamela Springsteen is Bruce’s sister, and they give her the gig, because again, she’s got some name value with the Springsteen thing.</p>
<p>And she and I just hit it off like brother and sister. It was like we were cloned at the hip. So, she’s saying, &#8216;I’m working really hard. I’m studying all the time. I’m trying to get into the acting class, just trying to do as many little things as I possibly can to get out from under Bruce’s shadow. You know? So, I can make it on my own, just wanting to be able to excel on my own.&#8217;</p>
<p>So, the next day, she comes in, runs over to me, and she goes, John Ford Coley! She said, &#8216;I talked to Bruce, my brother, last night, she says she knows the lord loves your music, would love to get together with you sometime. Maybe write, maybe play. Do some studying, except we need to get you his telephone number.&#8217;</p>
<p>And I said, Really? And she said, &#8216;No, I was just acting, but tell me, did you believe me? I’ve been working really hard at this&#8217;. And I’m thinking, you’re going to die. You’re going to die. You give me the picture that I’m going to playing with your brother, and it’s an act? (chuckles)</p>
<p>And then we had one, there was a girl there. She had written a couple of songs in the film. And they gave her a nominal acting thing, that I think ended up on the floor of the cutting room. A really nice girl. So, she said, I’m writing stuff, and would you maybe like to get together and write sometime. And I said, I’m really not doing anything. I’m just trying to be kinda normal for a while, work on projects and stuff. Maybe later on? Just not right now.</p>
<p>Six months later I see her on stage, Melissa Etheridge is taking home a Grammy. And I’m sitting there going, John Ford Coley, you idiot. Next time somebody asks you to write, just say yes.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, you are out in LA. You are having a good time, doing this and that, and whatever musical little tidbits come by. And you get an offer to write the theme song to James at 15. Tell me a little bit about that.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: That was just a fluke. I mean, we were kind of hot at the time. We were hot, they grabbed us, they said, can you write this? We said, yes, of course we can. And that’s pretty much how it happened. And then we ended up being on the show. And they had a different – It was James at 15, but then, you know, the next year comes up, and they wanted a new theme song. And so, we did a James at 16, and it ended up being on the show.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: You said we. Now, “who is we?”</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Dan and I.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, I see. Oh. So, now, was this after you guys had already kind of moved on?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: No, actually, this happened about ’77, I think. And then Dan and I didn’t split until about 1980 or so?</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Right, yeah. Okay. So, “I’d Really Love to See You Tonight” was also in a Shane Black movie.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Right. (laughs)</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Yeah, I’m a big fan of his. Yeah. Tell me, what you laughing about?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: We didn’t know that that song was in the film. Nobody knew about it until it came out. All of a sudden, we’re staring at a bunch of money that we didn’t know it was coming. But, I said, yeah, you bet. So there is Samuel L Jackson singing our tune! </p>
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<p>And I was kind of hoping they were telling them what we were singing. I didn’t know – I’m not talking about money around or what – and what I was laughing about was, the other day, somebody told me about a young girl that had recorded “I’d Love to See You Tonight.” And I’m listening to it, and I went back to that chorus, and I said, I’m wondering how clearly she’s saying “moving in.”</p>
<p>I said, goodness, I was on the floor rolling. Because she said, “I’m not talking about my lunch.” That’s hilarious, you know! Because, for us, I mean, it was just as clear as it could be. Moving in.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Well, I can go back and listen to that. That’s for sure.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Oh, man, I hear things like “M&amp;Ms”, and “my lunch”</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: The old “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida” thing, you know. Nobody got that one right for months.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Absolutely. You’re kidding. It’s nice to be up there with people like. Who’s the group that did “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida?”</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, Iron Butterfly.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Iron Butterfly, yeah.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: We’re dating ourselves. We know these things, you know?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Hey, man, you know what? We had fun. You know, I’ll tell you something. Years ago, I went to school – I went back to school. So, I was taking French, and Spanish, and things like that. But I took an astronomy class. And so, when I’m in there, the teacher said, put down the last math class you’d had, and the year. So, I put down 9th grade, 1963. The girl next to me leans over. She saw what I had written, and she said, I wasn’t even born in 1963. And I looked at her, and I said, you’ve missed a lot. So, that’s my answer to you. You missed a lot.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Well, come to the ‘70s, you started to get so much stuff that was really produced in studios, as far as music goes, and by the ‘80s and ‘90s, I mean, it just – There’s so much that was really more produced than, you know, the days when you and your old groups would get in your garage, and you know, banging. One guy had a set of drums that he got from Sears, and you know, the guy had his first Strata, or something.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: You bet. You also associate yourself to the other people that were better than you. When Louis Shelton grabbed us, when we first went into the studio, we had people like the bass player for Simon and Garfunkel. I mean, Hal Demange played for the Beach Boys, and, you know, all these different people coming now, and they add their element to it.</p>
<p>And what was really cool, was that, when I got in that studio situation, especially in LA, I started running into people that I never knew. And there was one guy we had, he was an engineer, his name was Henry Louie. And Henry was German, you know, he and his wife were big into transcendental meditation, and so, he would always take a break, and then he would kind of collect himself. And I think it is kind of tedious when you’re an engineer.</p>
<p>So, one day, it was just Louie and me, sitting in the studio, waiting for everybody to come back, and Louie just looked at me. He said, John , is there anybody out there today that you like? Because there’s a lot of people out there. Who do you like?</p>
<p>And I said, Henry, there’s this girl, man, you’ve probably never heard of her. This girl knocks me out. She’s got some of the most phenomenal lyrics, and music I’ve never heard in my life. I said, Henry, do you know of a girl by the name of Joni Mitchell?</p>
<p>And he looked at me, and he went, are you serious? And I said, yeah. Have you ever heard of her? And he goes, John Ford Coley, I produced her. She’s over in Studio C on Saturday. Come by.</p>
<p>So I show up and watch Joni Mitchell record two songs on the Blue album. And I just missed James Taylor by about an hour, because he had just left. So, you run into things like the Carpenters were always just walking through, or this one or that one. This business, its just nutz. I mean, this is just so cool.</p>
<p>Thinking back to something I failed to mention earlier. When we played with Carole King, I’m looking down at this audience, but I went, Damn man, that’s Judy Carne staring right up my nose. And there&#8217;s Barbara Streisand over there. Crazy! And you start going, geez, man, what have you gotten yourself into? So, it was an exciting time.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one for you about another Dallas kid. This back in the early days, 1971 I think, B.W. Stevenson used to come visit me out in Los Angeles. We played a lot in Dallas back in the day. Well, B.W. used to come sleep on my couch, because he’s trying to get a deal out there when we moved to LA. I introduced him to Carole King and had him do all my own songs for her, which she loved.</p>
<p>And so, B.W. is sleeping, and I get a call early in the morning. And this really gravelly voice says, is B.W. here? And I said, &#8216;You know what, he’s sleeping right now. Can I maybe get a number and he can call you back?&#8217; And the guy goes, &#8216;Oh, okay. Just tell him Steve McQueen called.&#8217; I said, &#8216;You know what? Won’t you hold on for a second, and I’ll get him up!&#8217;</p>
<p>And so then – I’m telling people! Oh, yeah, man, you’ve got Steve McQueen calling my house.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Oh, yeah, you know. We had – Heck, I got my first earthquake in 1971, too. So, I was on top of the world, man.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And Steve McQueen calls!</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: And Steve McQueen calls!</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I saw some notes here about a funny story about “Nights Are Forever,” about the lady that came up and told you how her and her husband loved it. Can you relate that story?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Well, yeah. As a matter of fact, I wrote a book a couple of years ago, called Backstage Pass, and that story actually opens the book up. I was playing in Chico, California, and after I finished playing, this really nicely dressed lady comes up, you know, kind of corporate looking, kind of lawyerly looking, and dressed in black. And she had one of the old LPs, and she gets pretty close to me, takes me by the hand, and says, I want you to know my fiance and I fell in love to your song, “Nights Are Forever.” We danced to the song, we proposed to the song, made love through the song, we did just about everything to that song.</p>
<p>And then, you know, knowing me, not being – because I hear this all the time – not being remotely interested in what her everything might possibly include, I just said, well, thank you very much. Honest to goodness, that woman squeezed my hand so tight? and got right in my face, and in a voice that I didn’t recognize just coming out of her before, she said, that so-and-so left me. I’ve hated your song ever since. I think I’m staring down the devil, and the only thing that I could do, honestly, was I looked at the lady, and I said, cool.</p>
<p>What do you do, man?</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, my god. I love it. I love that one. So, I got a question for you. Have you ever got up on stage and totally forgot a song, or the words?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Absolutely. I’ve had to stop in the middle of songs. And sometimes, you can’t remember the lyrics. But the line that I fall back on was one that Byron Hill taught me. Byron Hill wrote country for Alabama, and just, Gary discovered Gary Allen, and all these things. Because he would forget a lyric, and he said, well, if you can remember the lyrics to all the songs that you’ve recorded, you simply haven’t written enough of them. And that works for me. So, I use that line now. But, seriously, there are times when you just draw a blank.</p>
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<p>Paul Heckmann: So, about about 10 years ago, Dan passes away. That must have been horrible for you.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Yeah, that was a shock at the time, and it was horrible at the way he ended up passing away, because he had lymphoma. It was actually the complications from the disease that. You just never expect it. I’ve lost other friends, but not one that close.</p>
<p>People periodically that aren’t aware of Dan’s passing, will come up, and they go, well, are you guys going to do a reunion tour? And I go, not anytime soon.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Hopefully, many years from now.</p>
<p>So, tell me what you’ve been doing with yourself recently? What do you have coming up?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Well, I just released a new CD about two years ago, called Eclectic. It’s 26 brand new songs. You’ve not heard any of them. And the thing is that yo u continue to write all those years, you start having a place to put them. It’s like now, I continue to write, and so we just kind of put all these songs together. One side is produced, with a band, and things like that. The other side is pretty much acoustic. A lot of ballads.</p>
<p>I write all the time. I tour all the time. I’m gone quite a bit. I see a lot of friends from that time period, and then I went to a Samuell High School reunion. And I said, I’m really sorry. I’ve missed so many reunions, but it seems like I was somewhere else. And I went, ha, now I’m always somewhere else. And even when I am home, if I’m home for any extended period of time, I mean, I get cabin fever. And my kids are going, dad, go to Savannah for the day. Just get the hell out of here. Do some family research. Get out of here!</p>
<p>And it’s like my stepson, yesterday, because he’s having to travel a bit. I said, you need to get very, very used to and accustomed to being alone. You’re alone all the time. And I don’t mind it at all. As a matter of fact, I kind of look forward to it. I know how to entertain myself. I read. I work on my ancestor research, I read all the time. You keep up with this, or that, or you’re writing, or you’re playing, or you’re developing something new.</p>
<p>And one of the things that I tell on stage is that, one of the really great things that I enjoy about being a songwriter, is that you can ignore more than a man can think. You can be staring out at the mountain, looking at it, and literally someone can come up and go, what are you doing? And you can honestly say, I’m working. I was thinking.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, is there anything you’d like to say that we haven’t covered?</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Gosh. We’ve covered quite a bit. I think I probably talked your ear off.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I love it, man.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: It’s just, you know, there are stories that come all the time. I’m in the process of probably looking at another book. Because, again, I just had these ridiculously funny things that happen to me all the time, and the book itself – It’s not about drugs, sex, or rock and roll, it’s just funny stuff that goes on. So, just keeping busy.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Like the lady with the, I hate your song!</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Yeah. Oh, the other night, you know, it’s really funny. I was playing that down in Georgia, I’ve never had it happen before, but I’m signing autographs and some CDs, and stuff. And this one guy came up, and he said, I thought you were hilarious on stage. Have you ever thought about doing a comedy thing? He said, my wife didn’t think you were funny at all, but I thought you were hilarious. And I went, your wife didn’t think I was funny? And he said, no, she stared right there. And I said, what is with that face? And she just walked off, and I thought, oh, I must have said something. And it was fun to tell the other guys that were playing, I said, man, I’ve never had that happen before.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Hey, well, listen, I really want to thank you for your time today, man. I really appreciate it. I hope you enjoy our MemoriesofDallas.org and our Memories of Dallas Facebook page.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: I read it all the time</p>
<p>Hey, John Ford Coley, man, it’s been a blast, man. I’ve enjoyed talking to you, my friend.</p>
<p>John Ford Coley: Call me anytime, this was fun!</p>
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<p>My mother and dad went to some party at the Lamplighter Motel. Kenny and his band were playing poolside and Mom got a business card and that’s how it got back to me. I put it in my pocket and kind of forgot about it.<br />
I had found myself in a position of booking or helping to book a nightclub, not a nightclub in the regular sense of the word, but they had these apartment clubs back in those days. And there was an apartment complex over in Northwest Highway, off Webb Chapel. I think it is called La Fontana. A friend of mine, an older friend that worked for my father had been placed in charge of promoting and building this club up at the La Fontana Apartments, he took me along, and he said 'What do you think will work here?'. And I immediately said, 'a band'. Now my Mom had just given this card the night before while we were watching TV so I reached in my wallet and pulled out Kenny’s card and the rest is history.</p>
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									<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>&#8216;Journey to Tyme&#8217;</strong></h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>The Mark Lee Story</strong></h1>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><em>By Paul Heckmann, Executive Director, Memories Incorporated</em></h4>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><em>Edited by Mark Cheyne, Administrator, </em><em>Memories of Dallas on Facebook</em></h4>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Hello Mark! Glad to finally get a chance to chat.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Thank you for calling. You are really playing the role of historian. I&#8217;ve sort of taken to writing myself and I admire your pursuit of oral history.</p>
<p>Your stories on Louann&#8217;s were quite impressive. The Kasuals performed at Louann&#8217;s and I knew Ann Bovis and Louis very well, yet I think I learned so much more from your articles than I ever knew before.</p>
<p>You certainly have entered that writing triumvirate with Lyles and Wilonsky. I always kind of thought of them playing the role of historians that, in a true historical sense, I think you play that role.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I thank you for that. I would like to think that we offer something a bit different, seeing history through your eyes. Our goal has always been for you tell me what the history is.</p>
<p>The way I see it, if you look at Kenny and the Kasuals, here’s Mark Lee’s version of it, here’s Jerry Smith’s version of it, here’s Kenny Daniel’s version of it, and every single one of them is the truth even though they may not concur. It simply is what you say it is.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: That&#8217;s an interesting way to look at it. I really appreciate your candor.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So let me backtrack just a second. You were a local kid, weren&#8217;t you?</p>
<div id="attachment_6579" style="width: 203px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6579" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-6579" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Mark-Lee.jpg?resize=193%2C248&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="193" height="248" /><p id="caption-attachment-6579" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Mark Lee, 1965, Hillcrest HS. Courtesy Steve Bourn and his Hillcrest HS annual</em></p></div>
<p>Mark Lee: Yes, I went to Lakewood Elementary, and then I ended up going to Ben Franklin Junior High and Hillcrest High School.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Right, about the same time as Stephen Bourn and Bill Bragg. To get back to the story of The Kasuals. I love the fact that your mom was actually kind of the guiding force behind you hooking up with the old Kenny Daniel combo. That’s quite intriguing.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Oh yes. As a matter fact, she’s the one who gave me the card. I might still have it somewhere, I remember it said the Ken Daniel Combo.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: That’s right. His dad had a combo back in the day. As for the Kasuals, from what I have read, your mom went to the Lamplighter and saw them there.</p>
<div id="attachment_6585" style="width: 1436px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6585" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-6585" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Lamplighter-postcard-courtesy-the-internet.jpg?resize=1000%2C619&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="619" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Lamplighter-postcard-courtesy-the-internet.jpg?w=1426&amp;ssl=1 1426w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Lamplighter-postcard-courtesy-the-internet.jpg?resize=300%2C186&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Lamplighter-postcard-courtesy-the-internet.jpg?resize=1024%2C634&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Lamplighter-postcard-courtesy-the-internet.jpg?resize=768%2C476&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Lamplighter-postcard-courtesy-the-internet.jpg?resize=290%2C180&amp;ssl=1 290w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Lamplighter-postcard-courtesy-the-internet.jpg?resize=105%2C65&amp;ssl=1 105w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-6585" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Lamplighter a postcard view. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.</em></p></div>
<p>Mark Lee: My mother and dad went to some party at the Lamplighter Motel. Kenny and his band were playing poolside and Mom got a business card and that’s how it got back to me. I put it in my pocket and kind of forgot about it.</p>
<p>But then, fate intervened. What do they say, &#8216;Necessity is the mother of invention&#8217;? Let me explain;</p>
<p>I had found myself in a position of booking or helping to book a nightclub, not a nightclub in the regular sense of the word, but they had these apartment clubs back in those days. And there was an apartment complex over in Northwest Highway, off Webb Chapel. I think it is called La Fontana.</p>
<p>A friend of mine, an older friend that worked for my father had been placed in charge of promoting and building this club up at the La Fontana Apartments, he took me along, and he said &#8216;What do you think will work here?&#8217;. And I immediately said, &#8216;a band&#8217;.</p>
<p>And he said well, &#8216;what band?&#8217; Now my Mom had just given this card the night before while we were watching TV so I reached in my wallet and pulled out Kenny’s card and the rest is history.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh wow. So if she had seen a different band, and they had a different card, no Kenny and the Kasuals.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Exactly. So, it was a great time. I had a great time the night they played, and I get to thinking I just want to do more of it. And that’s kind of how I started out in the business.</p>
<p>I booked them there, that was my first time to see the band, and I had no idea that I would always be associated with them for the rest of my life.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Love the story!</p>
<p>Mark Lee: It was one of those magical nights. So, I just wanted to pursue it which I did. I not only managed Kenny and the Kasuals, but I had my own record label, my own publishing company.</p>
<p>And I remember a real sense of awe. And, you know, it just simply was fun, and a little bit of profit for a high school student.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Well, everything was profit at that time, because mom and dad were always around to kinda help out just in case.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Ha! That is true. As for The Kasuals, we had all sorts of adventures and misadventures.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Well, we’ll go into that in a second here. So, okay here at this – you’ve got them playing at La Fontana Apartments, it’s still the Kenny Daniel’s Combo at this point.</p>
<p>Now, I know Kenny has said that you actually came on and told him he was the leader of the new band called Kenny and the Kasuals, is that correct?</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Well, I got the idea of changing there name from the Chicago Casuals, they were the backup band for the Dick Clark Show and Stars, which I saw back then.</p>
<p>And I fell in love with the idea that they could play anything. They backed up everybody. They could play anything, and they were more of an orchestra than a combo.</p>
<p>So, in any event, I thought is was a great name. I&#8217;m not quite sure when the spelling of the name came to me, but it did. I got all of that I think from watching a lot of TV, the Dave Clark Five, and so many others, I felt that there was just a certain way to approach it.</p>
<p>I began to realize that so many other things besides the music were important such as the way they dressed so we began to work on that.</p>
<div id="attachment_6592" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6592" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-6592" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/R-1853588-1350772008-6312.jpg?resize=300%2C294&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="294" /><p id="caption-attachment-6592" class="wp-caption-text">Kenny and the Kasuals album cover, courtesy Mark Lee</p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I think it’s fantastic. You kinda set a standard there. I mean from what I understand there even selling Kenny and the Kasuals shoes there at one time.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: There was. There was Kinney Shoes store in North Park, and they had so many locations in the metroplex, and so they promoted Kenny’s Kasuals. It became more promotion for the band. They had a huge local following that I think is still crucial to any band’s success, and the people loved them. They were really the best sound around. They were truly a great band.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Tell me about the first gigs. I understand you started playing out at Bryan Adams’ high school too?</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Yeah. Everything was about high school back then. Bryan Adams had this sort of cohesion of this newfound. The only other school I can think of close to the camaraderie and the closeness of the students would&#8217;ve been Woodrow Wilson.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t have that sort of thing at Hillcrest, however, there were some great bands that ultimately did emerge from Hillcrest, The Kasuals being among them.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So you&#8217;ve played the circuit at the high schools. You’re past that, and then you started looking at some of the clubs around town, I saw mention of the Three Thieves, of course Louann’s &#8211; we will touch on later, when did Studio Club come into play?</p>
<div id="attachment_3923" style="width: 173px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3923" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-3923 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Gaslight-1959-163x300-1-1.jpg?resize=163%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="163" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-3923" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Gaslight Club, clipping courtesy Mark Lee</em></p></div>
<p>Mark Lee: Well, the Studio Club came into play pretty early. Before the Studio Club was the Studio Club, it was called the Gaslight Club. My Mom and Dad took me there when I was younger. And it was this rolling ‘20s format. As a matter of fact, what you did was you entered a very small lobby, and there was a phone booth, and you stepped into the phone booth and you punched in your member number, and the booth turned around and you were in the speakeasy.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I didn&#8217;t know that.</p>
<div id="attachment_3921" style="width: 304px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3921" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-3921 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1961-294x300-1-1.jpg?resize=294%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="294" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-3921" class="wp-caption-text"><em>1961 clipping, Austin Bureau of the news, courtesy Mark Lee</em></p></div>
<p>Mark Lee: I remember finding a regional menu just as in the ‘60s, a menu for the Gaslight Club, and steaks were $100 a piece, right? That’s expensive today, but it they had all sorts of exotic beverage and cocktails. And I think it was the place, it was just too pricey, too exclusive for the public at large in Dallas.</p>
<p>So that was when Larry Lavine stepped in with his group to buy it and change the format to turn it into the Studio Club. They were sophisticated club owners as were most of the guys I knew best.</p>
<p>Anyway, the club was a hub for the Kasuals. I think we were able to be successful primarily due to a the sound developed at the Studio Club. But I can say that that club was essential in the development of Kenny and the Kasuals. That is where we found our voice.</p>
<p>They were the house band in the earliest days. Well, Larry LaVine wanted them there every time he could get them there.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I remember talking to Larry about that.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: This is before the Chessmen, before the Bricks. And so, you know, other bands ultimately emerged, but the Kasuals was truly first.</p>
<div id="attachment_3919" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3919" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-3919 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/courtesy-Dana-Hensley-Eakles-300x151-1-1.jpg?resize=300%2C151&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="151" /><p id="caption-attachment-3919" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Studio Club, courtesy Larry Lavine</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, you’re working at the Studio Club. Now, Jerry told me the story of the writing of &#8216;Journey to Tyme&#8217;. What do you remember about how that tune came to be?</p>
<p>Mark Lee: I thought his description was pretty accurate, between you and me, I don’t remember being in the balcony. I do remember we were sitting away from the band when I wrote the lyrics.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, as the story goes, it was between sets at Studio Club. And pretty much overnight Kasuals turned it into a Top 20 hit.</p>
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<p>Mark Lee: Let me tell you how instantaneous it was. We recorded it way into the night, and did a final mix. Bob Sullivan, over at Summit Sound, was the engineer, and we’d thought when we got the final mix so that the big problem was the fuzz bass would bounce the needle off the turntable.</p>
<p>So, we finally got it mixed to where it was playable. The sound was coming out. I took the master, put it under my arm and drove down to KLIF. I&#8217;m about a half hour from leaving the recording studio, and run upstairs into the DJ’s room.</p>
<p>Jimmy Rabbit was the DJ, and he said &#8216;what do you got there?&#8217; I said Kenny and the Kasuals’ new record. He says &#8216;let me hear it&#8217;. And he put on that fuzz bass intro, he went &#8216;holy crap&#8217;. And he took the record, put it on that morning, right then and there and played the heck out of it. That’s how quick it was.</p>
<p>It was an instant hit. And I remember he kept the record. He says I gotta have this. I gotta keep playing it.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: That was your master.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: And I didn&#8217;t have a copy of it, but I had to go get some sleep. I was beat. Grabbed a couple of hours nap, and then I had to go get the record mastered out in Arlington.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh my gosh, man. That is so cool.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Yeah. It was an instant hit record thanks to Jimmy.</p>
<p>Let me add this. Lee Lightfoot, our bass player, this was part of his contribution. And I’ll say this, it’s the first use that I recall of the fuzz tone on the bass.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I&#8217;m gonna have to go back and listen to that one again now that you’ve told me a little bit more about the story.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: It was totally cool. It was one of those moments I suppose we all live for.</p>
<div id="attachment_4321" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4321" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-4321" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/d505eb1609d93969faa6680ab1d56e0b-dallas-texas-sats-300x291-2.jpg?resize=300%2C291&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="291" /><p id="caption-attachment-4321" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ann Bovis of Louann&#8217;s in front of the entrance in an ad for Dal Tex. Courtesy the Bovis family</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, you’re playing the Studio Club, and then of course you get the shot to play over at Louann’s, which I imagine was quite a big deal in those days.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Over at Louann’s, I would say Miss Bovis ran that club with a tight fist. She had sort of a personal relationship with the club. She knew what was going on in the club, what was permitted and what was not permitted. So, both were great clubs.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I interviewed Larry about it, so I picked up on some of the stuff there.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: The Kasuals did play with the Turtles at Louann’s and on other occasions. But even though I booked them there, well, both Larry Lavine and the Kasuals would much have preferred that they be at the Studio Club.</p>
<p>Well, when you booked the Kasuals, you ensured a crowd of 500 plus every night they played.</p>
<p>You looked at that dance floor, you looked at that club and you consider the square footage, and you know that it is a sold out crowd night.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, you’ve been playing at Studio Club. You open for the Turtles at Louann&#8217;s. Now tell me the story about the Yardbirds at the Studio Club.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Well, we opened for the Yardbirds. Beck had already left, but Jimmy Page was there. I remember talking to and saying hello to Jimmy Page as he passed by in the kitchen.</p>
<p>And, you know, that’s just one of those fleeting moments, fleeting memories. We also opened for Sonny and Cher. It was a great show.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Of course, as far as I know, that was Sonny and Cher&#8217;s first appearance in Dallas. Very cool.</p>
<div id="attachment_3788" style="width: 269px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3788" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-3788" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/20190602_094526-259x300-1-1.jpg?resize=259%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="259" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-3788" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Sump&#8217;n Else book cover, Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.</em></p></div>
<p>Now, tell me about the Sump&#8217;n Else TV show. I think it was being shot at Northpark then</p>
<p>Mark Lee: I would say, I can’t think of any band that was a more frequent guest than Kenny and the Kasuals. And I remember when they introduced a new tune called &#8216;Sea-Saw Ride&#8217;, on videotape which we shot at Vickery Park and the old swimming hole. This was decades before MTV, this was very unique.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I never knew that. I will see if Bud Buschardt has a copy of that.</p>
<p>Now about this point in time, things are going well in Dallas and you have decided to go ahead and take a shot at the big time and go to New York. Vinny Albano I guess was one of your contacts up there</p>
<p>Mark Lee: We did. We went to New York, and it was – well, it was a transitional climate, I think it was a crossroads for the group. The group had huge following back here in Dallas, and I think given their druthers, we preferred to stay and play in Dallas.</p>
<p>But we took our shot. We were residents at the legendary Albert Hotel in New York City. The group that was our next-door neighbors there were the Seeds. They had that top tune &#8216;Pushing Too Hard&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, you know, it was one of those magic moments. There was a club there, I think it was called Rome, I can&#8217;t tell ya it, but there was a band that they wanted us to pair up with, they were called the Expressions back then, but they became the &#8220;Guess Who&#8221; who had the #1 hit &#8216;American Woman&#8217;.</p>
<p>And they were playing the club, and the club wanted all of us over, and like I said one thing led to the other.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, tell me the story of when you were gonna open for the Beatles, and what happened with that?</p>
<p>Mark Lee: That’s one of those times where we were in New York and everybody was on board, some early publicity went out, I think Yuri Smith set it up, but for whatever reason it didn&#8217;t work out.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: The red tape killed it.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: There were other people that it did not work out for also. I think that&#8217;s all we are gonna say about that.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Fair enough.</p>
<p>So, about this time, it looks like folks are starting to go different directions, they might be leaving or at least considering it. Would that be kind of accurate?</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Yes I suppose. And of course, I noticed your interest in The Flower Fair.</p>
<div id="attachment_3912" style="width: 778px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3912" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-3912 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-Flower-Fair-1968b-768x639-1.png?resize=768%2C639&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="768" height="639" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-Flower-Fair-1968b-768x639-1.png?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-Flower-Fair-1968b-768x639-1.png?resize=300%2C250&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px" /><p id="caption-attachment-3912" class="wp-caption-text"><em>1968&#8217;s Flower Fair, clipping courtesy Mark Lee</em></p></div>
<p>That was, like I said, a time of change. That movie, I can&#8217;t think of the name of it, which Tom Cruise, where he manages the band, and the band actually ultimately breaks up over the Vietnam War, and that’s really what you had.</p>
<p>The draft broke up the band. And I am sure that’s not just Kenny and the Kasuals in Dallas, but lots of bands all across the great United States got, because that was a serious matter at that time.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So you saw what was happening, Kenny had been drafted and you know he was leaving. So tell me about their swan song, because the Flower Fair sounded really cool. I mean some of the people you had there were just off the charts. Mitch Ryder &amp; the Detroit Wheels, Jimmy Reed and Neil Diamond.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Yeah. It was all entertainment, $1 a day. It was a hybrid between a music festival and a trade show. Various vendors had been selling musical instruments, guitars, whatnot, clothes; all of the things that young people were interested in back in those days.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh that’s cool.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: A multipurpose. I would say this, that is also the very first appearance of Neil Diamond in Dallas.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I did not know that. Another little tidbit of lost history.</p>
<p>So The Flower Fair is over, Kenny leaves the morning after for the Army and ended up as part of the Tet Offensive</p>
<p>I talked to Jerry Smith about it, he told me about the band &#8220;Truth&#8221;. Were you involved with them?</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Yes. Dale Bramhall, Doyle&#8217;s twin brother came in as lead singer. But that group didn&#8217;t last two long as more military commitments took several members.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Can you tell me about the revival of Kenny and the Kasuals.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: Well, at one point around 1980-81, I got wind from people overseas that their Impact album, the Kenny and the Kasuals’ version of Gloria had taken off.</p>
<div id="attachment_6622" style="width: 479px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6622" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-6622 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/80-iggy-1.jpg?resize=469%2C600&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="469" height="600" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/80-iggy-1.jpg?w=469&amp;ssl=1 469w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/80-iggy-1.jpg?resize=235%2C300&amp;ssl=1 235w" sizes="(max-width: 469px) 100vw, 469px" /><p id="caption-attachment-6622" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Kenny and the Kasuals, 1980 version. Courtesy Mark Lee</em></p></div>
<p>It had gone to number one on Radio France. I don’t even know how they got a copy of it!</p>
<p>In any event, that sort of set things in motion. Now that was ’77, ’78. And ultimately, the guys with Stiff Records, Elvis Costello, Jake Rivera with Stiff, different movers and shakers and were also – you quoted, you know, all extended to Kenny and the Kasuals, the Impact album was the major impetus for the movement.</p>
<p>So, I kinda got the idea of bringing the band back together, Kenny and the Kasuals did go out, and they did play both coasts.</p>
<div id="attachment_3984" style="width: 730px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3984" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-3984" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/64590469_2420865404800186_9008795926013149184_n-2.jpg?resize=720%2C686&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="720" height="686" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/64590469_2420865404800186_9008795926013149184_n-2.jpg?w=720&amp;ssl=1 720w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/64590469_2420865404800186_9008795926013149184_n-2.jpg?resize=300%2C286&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px" /><p id="caption-attachment-3984" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Jerry Smith, former lead guitar for the Kasuals performing at The Goat with the Woo Brothers. Courtesy Jer</em>ry Smith</p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Wow, what a trip. And all these years later, Jerry is still strumming, Kenny is still with the Kasuals and you are still looking for the next thing. Gotta love it!</p>
<p>It has a been an absolute delight talking with you Mark!</p>
<p>Mark Lee: I&#8217;m glad we finally hooked up, and needless to say, I am sometimes a living museum of Dallas music.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: All right. I hope to see you Aug 3rd at Ozona. Jerry will be playing there with the Legendary Woo Brothers at a Fundraiser for Memories of Dallas. I’d love to see you there.</p>
<p>Mark Lee: I will make it a point. Thank you. You got my number if you have any questions.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, you may be aware that I had a role in the Hot Klub here in Dallas, and I&#8217;ve written a couple of short stories. One about the Hot Klub, the other about Flower Fair that I would like to share with you. As soon as they are finished and publishable, I will send you copies, yours to do with as you wish.</p>
<div id="attachment_3909" style="width: 206px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3909" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-3909 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/texfli11-196x300-1-1.jpg?resize=196%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="196" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-3909" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Hot Klub, courtesy Mark Lee</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Thanks Mark!</p>
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<p>We had such a great time at Ozona on Aug 3rd. Mark Lee was there, Angus Wynne, his lovely date Catherine, Jerry Smith, Jackie Don Loe, Billy King and Peter Kaplan, Mike McCullough, not to mention dozens of members of Memories of Dallas. Be sure to come join us on the FB page or subscribe to this one for further updates</p>
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<p><span style="color: #993366;"><strong><em>Angus Wynne III</em></strong></span><br /><span style="color: #993366;"><strong><em>This was one for the books! Talk about Memories: it would be hard to top a date at Ozona with Jerry Smith and the Woo Brothers!</em></strong></span></p>
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<p>We did a lot of openings too about that same time. We opened up for The Beach Boys, Sonny &#038; Cher – God, there's so many, I don’t even remember them all. and we also played on WFAA's 'Sumpn'Else' TV show. We also opened for the Turtles at Louanns. I think we played in the big room that night. We also played the smaller room quite a bit. We were buddies with The Chessman who would play there all the time, Jimmy Vaughan was with them then. We would go over to Jimmy's house and there would be Stevie, a little gawky kid (with a laugh) hanging around. We would say 'Hey Stevie' kidding of course (in his best big brother's friend voice) and pick on him a little. but he was a good kid.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Jerry Smith</strong></h1>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Jerry Smith was lead guitar for The Vibrations, Kenny and the Kasuals and co-wrote their top hit &#8220;Journey to Tyme&#8221;</strong></em></h3>
<h4 style="text-align: center;">by Paul Heckmann, Executive Director Memories Inc.</h4>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Greetings Jerry!</p>
<p>I know the other day when we were chatting, you told me you played lead guitar. Who was your inspiration?</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: Oh definitely The Nightcaps. Mario Daboube was the bass player, Gene Haufler on the rhythm and David Swartz played lead guitar.</p>
<p>My dad was an aircraft mechanic at a small executive airport just North of NW Hwy at Jupiter and one day they had a party that dad brought me to it- and that&#8217;s the first time I ever heard The Nightcaps as they had been booked. I guess I was about 8-10 years old.</p>
<p>I sat there watching these guys and I told me dad, &#8216;that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m gonna do when I grow up!&#8217;</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Very cool. Any other bands/music that you would listen too?</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: We listened to all sorts of music. Surfing music was really big back then, but we also listened to a lot of blues, Jimmy Reed and Elvis Presley.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And how do you join The Kasuals?</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: I had been up at University of North Texas for a year. Then the next summer I went out to California for a while with another band. While I was gone my best friend Lee Lightfoot joined Kenny&#8217;s band. By that time they had changed their name to Kenny Daniels Combo.</p>
<p>I knew Kenny from High School. We weren&#8217;t exactly best friends as we were in &#8216;competing&#8217; bands &#8211; I was in The Vibrations and Kenny was in The Illusions. The Vibrations played a lot at the Harry Stone Recreational Center in Casa View, churches, schools, sock hops and so on. It kept us busy while we learned what we were doing.</p>
<div id="attachment_3990" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3990" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-3990" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-Vibrations-Harry-Stone-Sock-Hop-300x274-1-1.jpg?resize=300%2C274&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="274" /><p id="caption-attachment-3990" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Vibrations, Jerry Smith on the left, Lee Lightfoot on rhythm guitar, Robert McDonald on drums and Carroll Briley on bass. This is at Harry Stone</em></p></div>
<p>Kenny and I were also lifeguards together over at the Lamplighter Motel. So anyway, push came to shove and I ended up joining his band playing lead guitar.</p>
<p>The Lamplighter also had a part in Kenny and the Kasuals history. They would have bands play on the weekends at the Lamplighter Club. That&#8217;s where Mark Lee saw them. His mother heard them and said &#8216;I just heard a band better than the Beatles!&#8217; So Mark went over and heard them and convinced them to sign with him. He didn&#8217;t have any band management experience at that time, but he had drive. For the most part overall, I think he did a pretty good job. Anyway Mark took over and changed their name to &#8216;Kenny and the Kasuals&#8217;.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Mark was pretty important to the Kasuals top hit, wasn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: Yes he was. He was the co-writer of &#8220;Journey to Tyme&#8221;. I wrote the music and we collaborated on the lyrics. It was the only song he and I wrote together. We actually wrote it at &#8216;The Studio Club&#8217;. He and I went up to the balcony and wrote it while the rest of the band was downstairs getting their stuff together to rehearse.</p>
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<p>We worked a ton at the Studio Club. I really loved playing there. I think we were playing there 2 or 3 times a month. The acoustics were great. It was like playing in a movie theater, there was a big stage with balconies on the side with a dance floor up front and tables underneath the balcony.</p>
<p>And we opened for the Yardbirds there.</p>
<div id="attachment_3581" style="width: 210px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3581" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-3581 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/studio-club-1960s-courtesy-Scarlet-Dukes-200x200-1-1.jpg?resize=200%2C200&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="200" height="200" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/studio-club-1960s-courtesy-Scarlet-Dukes-200x200-1-1.jpg?w=200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/studio-club-1960s-courtesy-Scarlet-Dukes-200x200-1-1.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w" sizes="(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px" /><p id="caption-attachment-3581" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Studio Club, 1960s, courtesy Scarlett Dukes</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: That&#8217;s amazing! Those guys are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: Jimmy Page was with them then. We opened and played a full set, then they played a set, then we did our second and they finished up.</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: We also opened for the Turtles at Louanns. I think we played in the big room that night. We also played the smaller room quite a bit</p>
<p>We were buddies with The Chessman who would play there all the time, Jimmy Vaughan was with them then. We would go over to Jimmy&#8217;s house and there would be Stevie, a little gawky kid (with a laugh) hanging around. We would say &#8216;hey Stevie&#8217; kidding of course (in his best big brother&#8217;s friend voice) and pick on him a little. but he was a good kid.</p>
<div id="attachment_7031" style="width: 260px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7031" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7031 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/SRV.jpg?resize=250%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="250" height="300" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/SRV.jpg?w=368&amp;ssl=1 368w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/SRV.jpg?resize=250%2C300&amp;ssl=1 250w" sizes="(max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7031" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The younger brother of Jimmy Vaughan of The Chessmen, Stevie Ray</em></p></div>
<p>Jerry Smith: We did a lot of openings too about that same time. We opened up for The Beach Boys, Sonny &amp; Cher – God, there&#8217;s so many, I don’t even remember them all. and we also played on WFAA&#8217;s &#8216;Sumpn&#8217;Else&#8217; TV show.</p>
<div id="attachment_7039" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7039" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7039 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/463887430_8477400419002729_7555838946655880613_n.jpg?resize=300%2C196&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="196" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/463887430_8477400419002729_7555838946655880613_n.jpg?w=1065&amp;ssl=1 1065w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/463887430_8477400419002729_7555838946655880613_n.jpg?resize=300%2C196&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/463887430_8477400419002729_7555838946655880613_n.jpg?resize=1024%2C668&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/463887430_8477400419002729_7555838946655880613_n.jpg?resize=768%2C501&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7039" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The early days of Sump&#8217;n Else. Courtesy the Sump&#8217;n Else Facebook Group</em></p></div>
<p>We thought we were our way to the big time when we were invited to NYC and on the billing to open for the Beatles at Shea in 1964. Something happened in the red tape, we lost the gig and came back to Dallas.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: That is a tough one. Was that why you left the Kasuals?</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: We kept going for a while but things weren&#8217;t the same after that. We had reached for the stars and just missed. I guess I was getting the urge to move on. And then I was drafted, I ended up joining the Air Force. Kenny was also drafted and was about to go into the Army. It was a different time.</p>
<p>But before we went to do our Service, Mark Lee put together one last hurrah for us, The Flower Fair in 1968.</p>
<div id="attachment_3912" style="width: 778px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3912" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-3912" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-Flower-Fair-1968b-768x639-1.png?resize=768%2C639&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="768" height="639" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-Flower-Fair-1968b-768x639-1.png?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-Flower-Fair-1968b-768x639-1.png?resize=300%2C250&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px" /><p id="caption-attachment-3912" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Flower Fair, 1968. Clipping courtesy Mark Lee</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann:  Some great lineups there like Mitch Ryder, Jimmy Reed, even Neil Diamond.</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: Yes, and I think Kenny left for the Army a day or two later.</p>
<p>After that, the rest of the band formed &#8220;Truth&#8221; and brought in Dale Bramhall, Doyle&#8217;s twin brother as the lead vocalist. That didn&#8217;t last that long and then I left for the Air Force. So that was that.</p>
<p>Back in 1980, I went out to Ruidoso to visit Kenny who had moved out there. We decided to put together Kenny and the Kasuals once more. Mark Lee came out to manage us and we headed out on a West Coast tour.</p>
<p>Then in 1981, Alan McDaniel, Danny Duncan and I created R81 in 1981. And then it became R82 in 1982.  I really enjoyed working with those guys</p>
<p><iframe title="R-82 Rock Wars Part1" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/c7TYcFHPmek?feature=oembed" width="688" height="387" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe></p>
<p>Around 1985-87 Alan and I formed a duo, The Marvelous Woo Brothers. Which of course was the forerunner of The Legendary Woo Brothers of today!</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, what kind of work you do these days?</p>
<p>Jerry Smith: It’s called a content analyst. We rate videos for consumption, public consumption. It’s mostly visual and earnings stuff.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And of course, you are spending a little time cranking out the hits with the Legendary Woo Brothers!</p>
<p>Well, this has been fun. Thanks so much for your time.</p>
<p><strong>Aug 3rd, 2019 at Ozona at our next Extravaganza. Jerry Smith and the Legendary Woo Brothers were the headliners. </strong></p>
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<p>We had such a great time at Ozona on Aug 3rd. Mark Lee was there, Angus Wynne, his lovely date Catherine, Jerry Smith, Jackie Don Loe, Billy King and Peter Kaplan, Mike McCullough, not to mention dozens of members of Memories of Dallas. Be sure to come join us on the FB page or subscribe to this one for further updates</p>
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<p>I was playing with The Roadrunnners at some school and they had a special guest, Scotty McKay. And we backed him up. After the gig, he came over and asked me if I wanted to play a job with him. I thought he was asking about the whole band. He wasn't. To make a long story short, I had borrowed money from my dad to buy a bass guitar as we didn't have a bass in the band. And I was quite literally new to it, but Scotty liked the way I played and ended up leaving the band and playing with Scotty for a long time.  As a matter of fact Scotty is the one who got me into the recording studio to do my own stuff. It turned out to be "Summers Coming" which I wrote in the back seat of his car on the way to the studio. We already recorded the A side of the record with a tune called 'Walk On' and needed a B for the release. Two DJs from KLIF heard it, Chuck Dunaway and Bill Enis and they played it for Diamond Records in NYC and they agreed to distribute it. Made it to the Top 50 nationally that year. The next time I walked into KLIF, they said 'You want to be on American Bandstand in Philadelphia?' I says 'sure, I guess...' So I went on the Dick Clark tours.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>K</strong><strong>irby St. Romain</strong></em></h1>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><em>Former guitarist with Scotty McKay, Kirby St. Romain Band, house band for The Coasters, The Drifters, Chuck Berry, Ike and Tina Turner, Willie Nelson and others</em></h4>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><em>Also longtime comedian in Las Vegas and various cruise lines</em></h4>
<h5 style="text-align: center;">Interview by Paul Heckmann, Exec Dir, Memories Inc</h5>
<p>Paul: Hi Kirby, tell about your rock and roll childhood.</p>
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<p>Kirby: I started playing and singing while I was still in High School at Thomas Jefferson with Forest Murphy and Eddie Wurst back in the garage band stage of my life. Not sure if you would actually call it a garage band as Forest&#8217;s mom let us play inside the house.</p>
<p>The name of our first band was the Road Runners. I kinda stumbled into it. The old Yellow Belly drag-strip had a Battle of the Bands. They knew I had been singing for a while, and I was the only one that knew the words to the Chuck Berry songs. None of the other guys wanted to sing&#8230;or could. That&#8217;s how I got started &#8211; started singing because no one else wanted the job.</p>
<p>Paul: Did you have any choir or music experience?</p>
<p>Kirby: Not really. I took piano back at Catholic School as a kid, but I decided that piano wasn&#8217;t cool. So instead, I got a trombone. I guess it was kinda like Music Man. The guy comes into town with his trombone and all the kids follow behind. Well, the trombone thing didn&#8217;t work out like it did for Robert Preston. And I wasn&#8217;t taking lessons, so if just kinda fizzled out, meanwhile my little brother Michael had got himself a guitar. The folks had got him a Silvertone electric guitar from Sears. And they bought me a snare drum.</p>
<p>After a while I got tired of the snare drum too, so I picked up Micheal&#8217;s guitar and started playing it. And then ran into a couple of guys at TJ that played guitar too. One of them had this Fender guitar. I had never heard of them. That&#8217;s gotta tell ya something.</p>
<p>Anyway we would just kinda hang around, listen to old Jimmy Reed records and try to figure out what he had been playing. Chords, where to go, where to go&#8230; that&#8217;s how &#8216;The Roadrunners&#8217; got started.</p>
<p>I was playing with The Roadrunnners at some school and they had a special guest, Scotty McKay. And we backed him up. After the gig, he came over and asked me if I wanted to play a job with him. I thought he was asking about the whole band. He wasn&#8217;t. To make a long story short, I had borrowed money from my dad to buy a bass guitar as we didn&#8217;t have a bass in the band. And I was quite literally new to it, but Scotty liked the way I played and ended up leaving the band and playing with Scotty for a long time.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact Scotty is the one who got me into the recording studio to do my own stuff. It turned out to be &#8220;Summers Coming&#8221; which I wrote in the back seat of his car on the way to the studio. We already recorded the A side of the record with a tune called &#8216;Walk On&#8217; and needed a B for the release. Two DJs from KLIF heard it, Chuck Dunaway and Bill Enis and they played it for Diamond Records in NYC and they agreed to distribute it. Made it to the Top 50 that year. The next time I walked into KLIF, they said &#8216;You want to be on American Bandstand in Philadelphia?&#8217; I says &#8216;sure, I guess&#8230;&#8217; So I went on the Dick Clark tours.</p>
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<p>After all that was over, I decided to go back to school at North Texas State. To make money, I worked on the weekends at Louann&#8217;s. It was the &#8216;Kirby St. Romain Band&#8217; &#8211; we were kinda the house-band for a few years.</p>
<p>You know people would ask me all the time how Ann could get all these stars to come to Louann&#8217;s. Well, she would get them in the middle of the week which was normally a down time for them, and very inexpensive. And she would only book the star, then she would call me and my band would come back them up so they didst have the bring their own band.</p>
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<p>One night she brings in Chuck Berry. Well, we normally had a rehearsal or two. Not with Chuck. He says &#8216;when I stomp my foot, we are starting and when I stomp it again, the song&#8217;s over&#8217;. So we get up on stage, Chuck didn&#8217;t bring his own amp so he looks around for one, see&#8217;s my bass amp is the biggest so he goes over, plugs in, turns all the dials up full and starts playing! Nearly destroyed my bass amp &#8211; bass is not really compatible playing the same time as lead guitar.</p>
<p>Paul: Who were some of the other folks you played with at Louann&#8217;s?</p>
<p>Kirby: Oh man, there were a bunch, we backed up Ike and Tina Turner, The Coasters, The Drifters, folks like that. Ann would get so many of the acts on their off days for a really good price. It was really smart of her to fly in only the headliners. She was a sharp gal.</p>
<p>Paul: Tell me about Ann.</p>
<p>Kirby: Oh yes, she was really fond of me because I was going to college. She had a lot of respect for that. And I was working for her on the weekends and whenever else she needed me. Anytime I would show up, she would take me back in the kitchen and fix me something to eat. She was really something.</p>
<p>Paul: Its quite interesting for Ann to have been so successful after Lou died. She ran the club by herself for nearly two decades.</p>
<p>Kirby: She was really a tough old bird, she didn&#8217;t take any crap from anybody. She could wheel and deal with the best of them.</p>
<p>Paul: And the rest of her family?</p>
<p>Kirby: I knew Chelle. Great gal. I ran into her years later when I was working on the cruise ships and she was a passenger. She slid a note under my door to let me know she was onboard. It had to be twenty years since the last time I saw her. And I knew Tony, her son.</p>
<p>My guitar player back in the Louann&#8217;s days was Bobby Rambo. Bobby was always hitting on Chelle. Between sets Chelle was the DJ, playing records to keep the crowd going. Bobby would be all over her. And momma-bear Ann did not like that! She would go over and break that up before anything got going.</p>
<p>Paul: What kind of money were you making at Louann&#8217;s?</p>
<p>Kirby: Oh, it wasn&#8217;t great, probably $100 for Saturday and Sunday but it was a lot for back then. Ann would come by at the end of the night with an envelope full of cash to pay the guys. We&#8217;d divvy it up and that was that.</p>
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<p>Meanwhile I was doing a bunch of recording at Bob Kelly&#8217;s studio, he was a DJ at WRR radio. He&#8217;d call me and I would come by and we would record. Bob, Jay Linsey, Jerry Brown and Frank Cole were starting this vocal group called The Expressions, which would be about 1964. They were purely vocal and would go to various clubs and play with whomever the house bands were to back them up.</p>
<p>They signed with Nat Goodman who also managed a group called The Diamonds. He told The Expressions that they were not going to be able to play Las Vegas unless they played their own instruments like The Diamonds. That was okay but they didn&#8217;t have a drummer. So I see Bob Kelly at the Palace Theater one night and he says &#8216;I&#8217;ve seen you mess around with the drums at the studio before. You think you learn how to play your drums good enough to go on the road with us?&#8217;</p>
<p>I says &#8216;Well, sure.&#8217; You know I did! So I spent some time learning how to play the drums but still working with my group at Louann&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Paul: So tell me about leaving Louann&#8217;s and the Kirby St. Romain Band.</p>
<p>Kirby: Well, just after the club closed for the night back in the summer of 65, I got all the guys together and told them that I was leaving the band to go on the road with The Expressions. All of them had other jobs to go back to expect for Bobby Rambo. Of course he went on to be one of the great guitar players of all time. He was nominated for a bunch of Grammies and ended playing with folks like Jerry Lee Lewis, The Five Americans, Carol King, Ronnie Dawson, Jerry Jeff Walker, B.W. Stevenson and folks like that.</p>
<p>Bobby is still playing. Every once in a while we have a revival of The Expressions and Bobby will show up for that. We usually do it in a little placed tucked way away called the The Pocket Sandwich Theater.</p>
<p>Paul: And then the Expressions</p>
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<p>Kirby: I joined The Expressions in 1965 at a club in Oklahoma City. At the same time, I was just graduating from college. And the night I graduated from college, I wasn&#8217;t there, I was onstage in Phoenix, Arizona at the Playboy Club because we had already gone on the road. I felt kinda bad for my mom and dad as they didn&#8217;t get to see me graduate, that really bugged me for a long time.</p>
<p>Anyway unlike a lot of folk at North Texas, I wasn&#8217;t into music there. You were really considered an elite musician if you went there for music. I got my degree in &#8216;radio and TV broadcasting and communications&#8217;. And I never got a job in the Radio and TV. Not a single one. It was music all the way for me.</p>
<p>So we crisscrossed the country. It wasn&#8217;t like now with the big motor-homes. You pretty much loaded everything into whomever&#8217;s car was biggest, hooked up a trailer and took off. No roadies, just doing whatever was necessary.</p>
<p>Paul: So tell me more about coming back to Dallas</p>
<p>Kirby: Oh man, we were really popular in Dallas. They loved us at The Loser&#8217;s Club there on Mockingbird. We used to pack that place. I still have the second hand smoke to prove it. I still have clothes to prove it. Back in those days you could smoke in the clubs and it was like playing in a dense fog.</p>
<p>We played Louann&#8217;s quite a bit too until Ann sold it. I really loved my time there. Ann was the best.</p>
<p>I was with the Expressions for 10 years. In January of 1976 I left the group. It began a hard time for me, I learned the hard way &#8216;you don&#8217;t leave one job without another one in the wings&#8217;.</p>
<p>Paul: So was that when you started doing stand up comedy?</p>
<p>Kirby: Well, I had been doing some with all my bands, but it&#8217;s a whole different world when you get up there by yourself without a group of guys backing you up. Just you, the microphone and room full of people. I literally had to re-learn how to preform as a entertainer as a solo act. I ended up moving to Reno, Nevada where I got a job as an Entertainment Director for one of the hotels, the Riverside Hotel. It turned out to be a job in name only. A lady named Jessie Beck was the owner. She kept trying to move me to the front desk, she said I would be much better there&#8230;</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignleft" src="https://memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2013-193x300-1.jpgg" sizes="(max-width: 193px) 100vw, 193px" srcset="https://memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2013-193x300-1.jpg 193w, https://memoriesofdallas.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2013-193x300-1.jpg 415w" alt="" width="193" height="300" />So I left there and did a bunch of menial jobs. One of them was being a bartender at Shakey&#8217;s Pizza Parlor. One day this big guy walks in and says &#8216;I&#8217;m looking for Kirby St. Romain&#8217;. It turned out to be Donnie Brooks, had a #1 hit in 1960 called &#8216;Mission Bell&#8217;. So I started to work for him in Reno. Then he would call me for work in Los Angeles and would fly me in. He hooked me up with different agents, so I started doing even bigger shows like Johnny Cash, Jimmy Rogers, Red Skelton, it turned out to be quite amazing.</p>
<p>Then I started working on the cruise ships, 1983. It was a total disaster, it was a brand new ship, the New Amsterdam for Holland America and it was already falling apart. That nearly kept me off cruise ships forever. Anyway a couple of years later I had moved to LA as that&#8217;s where most of the work was and was working at the Elks Club in Long Beach. An agent there said &#8216;I&#8217;ve got these the little ships that make runs to from San Pedro down to Ensenada on 3 and 4 day cruises. So I decided to give it one more shot and had a blast. That was the Azure Seas, and then they bought this new ship, The Stardancer, so I ended up splitting my time between them</p>
<p>Paul: And of course that is where we met. I was Chief Purser on the Stardancer when you were headliner.</p>
<p>Kirby: Oh yes. Those were the days.</p>
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<p>Paul: Charlie Dawson and Mike Moloney. And the bands like Garnett Morse and Dayle St. Dennis, Bill Doyle and all those singers whose names escape me right now. Ben Decker doing his best to juggle while the ship was going hard from port to starboard. I really loved my time on that ship, such a great staff from Pursers to Deck to Entertainers.</p>
<p>Kirby: Oh yes, all my friends . Lots of nights in Stanley&#8217;s Pub after my sets were over.</p>
<p>I loved going to all the places on the cruise ships that I probably never would have gone if not working on this ships. And remember the Stardancer also had the basketball court down in the hold.</p>
<p>Paul: Oh yes. We could carry 100 full size RVs to go with 1,000 passengers. It was amazing.</p>
<p>And you are still working after all these years. Quite remarkable my friend. Thanks so much for your time. And as always, it&#8217;s been a blast! </p>
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<p>The first time I saw a show advertised in Dallas Morning News, Bo Diddley was gonna play at Louann's. Because by that time, I had heard that song, "Bo Diddley," and I had heard "Can't Judge A Book by Looking at Its Cover," and "Who Do You Love." And, well, I could recite the name of every song on that album. There was something in my mind about the way that album sounded. It went to the fact that it was on a 78 LP record, which is to say that it was thin. And I didn't feel the pulse. I thought, "There's something else going on in this rhythm that makes it so meaningful." And the more I studied it, the more I realized there is a counterpoint that's being played against what Bo Diddley has played. So, I played the record enough to wear the grooves off of it, but I also discovered in that record that there was a low drum part.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://meminc.org/michaelnesmith/">MICHAEL NESMITH</a> first appeared on <a href="https://meminc.org">Memories Incorporated, a Texas 501c3</a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://meminc.org/michaelnesmith/">MICHAEL NESMITH</a> appeared first on <a href="https://meminc.org">Memories Incorporated, a Texas 501c3</a>.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Michael Nesmith</strong></h1>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Interview by Paul Heckmann, </strong><strong>Executive Director, Memories Incorporated</strong></h4>
<p><strong><em>Native Texan who grew up in Dallas, original member of The Monkees and the TV Show &#8220;The Monkees&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<div id="attachment_7062" style="width: 485px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7062" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7062 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/narrow-for-top.jpg?resize=475%2C313&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="475" height="313" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/narrow-for-top.jpg?w=475&amp;ssl=1 475w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/narrow-for-top.jpg?resize=300%2C198&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 475px) 100vw, 475px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7062" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Michael Nesmith and Jane Alexander in Dallas area shooting &#8220;Square Dance&#8221; in 1986. Courtesy Michael Nesmith</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Tell me about growing up in Dallas.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: I was born in Houston but came to Dallas at a young age. Mom and my Dad separated with I was young, so we moved to Dallas. My Mom inherited a little bit of money from her dad when he passed away. He used to own an auto parts store. I think it was about $5,000 which was just enough to get her into a house, I really can&#8217;t call it a subdivision, like a builder&#8217;s division near the corner of Ropers and Lovers Lane. Lovers Lane was a big through-way back then. And Ropers was a little off-street, but as a kid I could walk for miles. Sometimes I would wander further and further up Lovers. I didn&#8217;t make it to Greenville too many times, as that was a long ways off. But then (later) when I had friends who had cars, we used to go there. And my mom&#8217;s sister Yvonne lived in Rockwall so we would go out there on weekend&#8217;s to visit and that route took me through Lovers Lane and Greenville. There was a drive-in there that used to serve BBQ that we used to stop at</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I read in your book about Uncle Chick</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Yes, my Uncle Chick. He was the central male caregiver in my life from all during kindergarten going forward. I think that he and my Aunt Aida were trying to make some kind of deal to adopt me and raise me</p>
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<p>My mother was essentially destitute. Her husband, my dad, left her with no money, he was in the Army. He simply had no money. She just had to make her own way. The skill set she had was a commercial artist. She was beyond frightened about paying the bills and was talking about Chick and Ada about adoption. I would just move in with them and become Chick&#8217;s son. Well, that didn&#8217;t work out, but what did was that Mom, Chick, Aida and myself spent a lot of time together. They were my main family What I did know about Uncle Chick was in the book. He seemed to be a bit of a ner-do-well but I don&#8217;t really have any way of validating that. I&#8217;m slow to say it, but he was a fun guy. He loved to golf, he loved to drink and the stuff men did. As a six year old, that fascinated me. &#8216;Is this what grownups do?&#8217; There wasn&#8217;t much more to say. He was a retired Marine and kinda spent his life bouncing from sales job to sales job.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: One thing you mentioned in your book was how Uncle Chick would to the NY Times Crossword puzzle every day. But when you pulled a copy of the trash, most of the words were made up.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: I never could figure out what the upside was for him. He didn&#8217;t socialize with people that did the NY Times crosswords puzzle. You know Paul, he was much more of a pedestrian class than that. They tended to be used car salesmen, insurance salesmen, appliance salesmen, all like Chick. So I didn&#8217;t expect he was saying &#8216;say, did you see where &#8216;cahoots&#8217; was on the last NY Times Crossword?&#8217;. That was not a conversation Chick was going to be having. He sold used cars so the conversation was more likely, &#8216;did you see that Bonneville with the three 2 barrels?&#8217; So Chick was an anomaly in my life. He really didn&#8217;t have much of an sense of the culture. And as such, he and Aida eschewed Louann&#8217;s. I never knew that they they were going out and dance. Of course that may have been because, by the time I remember, sometime after the 40&#8217;s, the big bands weren&#8217;t coming as often, except for Lawrence Welk which was still to happen. Louann&#8217;s was heading in a country western or derivatives there of. They didn&#8217;t seem to like country western, they never went to those programs that I could tell They really weren&#8217;t club going people that I remember. Chick drank regularly unto drunkenness. But he didn&#8217;t want to sit at a bar to do it. He liked sitting in his recliner, watch football, drink beer and bet on the games.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I was intrigued by your mention of your three year old self &#8216;being the conductor&#8217; when music came on the record player. Tell me more about that. I was painting the picture in my head except for the music.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Ha! (laughs) Well, more probably pertinent was what was the caretaker, the woman who kept all of us clothed, fed and out of traffic. A woman named Judith Pirkle. She made her living off of day care for mothers that needed it. I was subject to a lot of her cultural cues and how those various things would come into my life, that came in through her. I&#8217;m not sure how I got hold of some of the higher ideas. As for the music, this is a bit shaky and probably needs to be vetted but I think maybe a conductor, not Aaron Copland, but it might be the Rites of Spring.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Lets talk about your Mom Bette for a minute. Like you said earlier, she was destitute but she appeared to have pulled herself up by her bootstraps</p>
<p>Micheal: Well, yes she did that to the degree that it can be done. I&#8217;m of the mind that it goes against all the laws of nature. Be that as it may, she was strong minded. She was an active, practicing Christian Scientist and very active in the center of her church. And she gave a lot of her success in life to her practice and study of her religion. She was totally immersed in it. As a result, everything had something of a theological bent to it. And you know Dallas is no stranger to the King James Bible and baptism, but it was not for her, so she was in kind of a marginal type of religion, in the form of Christian Science. And she practiced it and said &#8216;Oh, this happened because that happened&#8217; and folks would kinda cross their eyes, look at her and back away because it didn&#8217;t seem to make sense. As I watched it from the interior, it wasn&#8217;t miraculous, but it was an unusual and exceptional organization of events, where one thing would happen just as the other thing ended and what was starting up was just what was needed. You can call that whatever you like, good luck or an aligning of the stars where one thing would happen just as another thing ended, what was starting up was just what was needed.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Maybe a bit of &#8216;Divine Intervention&#8217;</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, yes. That brings up the philosophical questions about religion. But that was where she was, I know you didn&#8217;t ask this, and as a result of that, places like Louann&#8217;s and the other places in Deep Ellum were sort of off limits to me. &#8216;No, that&#8217;s a bar. You don&#8217;t drink so don&#8217;t go in there.&#8217; I couldn&#8217;t explain to her what was going on with the music. I would play a little bit for her and she would say &#8216;You like tha-ayat?&#8217;<em> (in his best Texas twang</em>) and she would go back to her big band music. She was a Glen Miller, Tommy Dorsey, Frank Sinatra junkie, which I had now become. I love all that too.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann; Now your Mom – she comes across, like you said before, kinda tough. Was she pretty much like that: pretty tough-minded?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: She was. She was very strong-minded, and what she – What I now understand to be the scientific mind, and she understood to be kind of a bulldog mind, was once she had gotten the principle of an idea, she would stick with that principle until she completely understood all of the idea. Well, if you got in the way of that, it was like getting in the way of a hurricane. It was so – It was very focused. She knew what she was trying to pry us out of whatever teaching she was following in, and she did not suffer fools gladly. Although she had a few decent friends – by decent, I mean closer friends – she was not a big socialite. She would never have made a good public official. She was very much in her own head, working up things for herself. And her main motivation was – as I said at the beginning – to provide a home for herself and her son.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Sure. Now, about what year did she come up with the idea and the concept for Liquid Paper? Because you were fairly young then, weren&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Yeah. Yes, right. I was just post-pubescent. It was &#8217;52, &#8217;53, at around in there when she started messing with the idea. But it wasn&#8217;t until the early &#8217;60s that she got traction. She remarried someone who was a fellow Christian scientist, and they were very successful as a team. He was a salesman, and she understood the use of the product. So, that was when it took off, and that was in the early &#8217;60s. Something like that.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: From the book it seemed like you kinda helped her out quite a bit with that, as far as products, shelving, boxing, whatever needed to be done.</p>
<div id="attachment_7075" style="width: 388px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7075" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7075" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Bo-Diddley-on-his-square-Gretsch-guitar.-Courtesy-Wiki.jpg?resize=378%2C553&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="378" height="553" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Bo-Diddley-on-his-square-Gretsch-guitar.-Courtesy-Wiki.jpg?w=378&amp;ssl=1 378w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Bo-Diddley-on-his-square-Gretsch-guitar.-Courtesy-Wiki.jpg?resize=205%2C300&amp;ssl=1 205w" sizes="(max-width: 378px) 100vw, 378px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7075" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Bo Diddley on his &#8216;square&#8217; Gretsch guitar. Courtesy Wiki, for fair and educational use by a Non Profit</em></p></div>
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<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, yes and no. I was the boss&#8217;s son, and so I could kinda do whatever I wanted to do. And what I wanted to do was play music like Bo Diddley, but she didn&#8217;t have any idea. I would play him for her, and her eyes would roll into the back of her head. And she would excuse herself as soon as she could.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: She wanted Lawrence Welk in the family.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Yeah. (laughs) Well, and my music was what motivated me and drove me. And when I tumbled into Bo Diddley – Well, didn&#8217;t stumble into him, but when I found him at Louann&#8217;s that night, my life changed. And so, it was. She understood the power of motivation. But as an executive, she steered basically an office supply company into a standing as a multimillion-dollar international manufacturer of the largest selling correction fluid in the world.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Isn&#8217;t that amazing?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: So, it&#8217;s hard to overstate her success, and she was directly responsible for what I saw as easily her half of it. And I think she picked up her husband&#8217;s shortfall, which seemed to be pretty significant. So, I have a lot of respect for her as a businesswoman and as an organized thinker and as an intelligent woman, and a very high, spiritually-minded person.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Sure. It did seem like in the book you kinda had an almost love-hate relationship, at times, with her. Would that be accurate?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, yes. I think you can find a paradigm for it in any single parent child relationship. That&#8217;s a crucible, and it just pushes and pulls and makes you tear your hair out. Makes everybody tear their hair out. And it, many times, doesn&#8217;t work. The single parent is, I think it&#8217;s too big a load, even with a single child. But I think it&#8217;s definitely too big a load if it&#8217;s four kids and no husband or four kids and no wife. That is rough going, as far as I can tell. And where the soil gets the most – adventurous and harder to pass is when there&#8217;s no road through it. You&#8217;re just blazing a trail and trying to figure out, &#8220;How do we make this work?&#8221; And onset for that is pre- and post-pubescence in the child.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And then your mom remarried. Tell me a bit about your stepfather, because he sounded pretty cool. He bought you a guitar, for one thing.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, he and my mother did. I think he was fascinated by the idea that I was entertaining the notion of playing it professionally. Because that was just so far afield of anything anybody in my family had ever done. But he was an athlete and a lumberjack in the Monty Python sense of the word. And he thought of himself as kind of a he-man, and my mother did, too, so that fit real well for the two of them. But he didn&#8217;t have much to say when it came to aesthetics and the arts and where these big ideas come from that inform the music of the spheres. And that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been on a hunt for, for most of my life. And that went back to his advent, to the husband&#8217;s advent. And when he came in, that was more of a nuisance than it was a help.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Where&#8217;d you go to elementary and junior high school at?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Elementary was Sudie Williams, and first junior high was T. J. Rusk, and then onto Thomas Jefferson.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: And in Thomas Jefferson, that was kinda fascinating. You pretty much just went to the classes that you wanted to go. Loved the part about the three lunch hours and two or three drama classes.</p>
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<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, when it dawned on me that I had not been officially enrolled or that if I was enrolled, it was botched on some level by the system and the people who were taking care of it, I realized, &#8220;I can really just do what I want to around here. I&#8217;m getting somewhere around seventy-five cents a day to feed myself. I can walk to school if I need to, but typically guys would come pick me up. My boyfriends and girlfriends and my groups that I hung out with, we&#8217;d go into school. Maybe I&#8217;d go to school, and maybe I wouldn&#8217;t. I&#8217;d sit in the parking lot. We&#8217;d talk; we&#8217;d play music really loud. Then, somebody would say, &#8220;Let&#8217;s go to the park,&#8221; which was a little ways away. And then we&#8217;d go and spend the rest of the morning out there with the smoke them if you got them, doing that. And me having music go off in my head. And the other people that went to the park with me were members of my high school choir, which was led by a woman named Anna Lee Huffaker. And she was a professional multi-voice teacher and took us to compete in state finals and taught me just reams and reams of information about what it meant to be a musician, how to sing, and so forth. But, of course, I wasn&#8217;t officially enrolled in her class, either. I would just go when I knew it was starting and leave when I knew it was ending. And sometimes I would – The first time I did it, it scared me because I forgot that I was in the same class when all the new class guys came in from the bell ringing, and I just kept my seat. And Mrs. Huffaker looked around like, &#8220;What&#8217;s wrong with this picture? What&#8217;s wrong with this picture?&#8221; And then she said, &#8220;Michael Nesmith, are you supposed to be in here?&#8221; And I said, &#8220;Well, I believe I am. I&#8217;m supposed to be in choir this period.&#8221; And she would say, &#8220;Oh, okay. Well, you&#8217;re gonna need another second soprano in there, and so let me see here – Tor Whitman, can you be the second soprano there with Michael Nesmith?&#8221; And that&#8217;s all there was to it, and I continued to get up the ranks. Never got a grade, never got anything. Even got a part in the school play.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Well, that seemed like your first introduction to organized music, is that were you learned to read music?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: No, I still can&#8217;t read music. I mean, I can hunt and peck my way through it, but I can&#8217;t read it like somebody who can read.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: No kidding?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Yeah. I mean, I know what key we&#8217;re in, and I know what scales look like and so forth. I don&#8217;t mean to say I&#8217;m illiterate, but I&#8217;ve never been a very good musician.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I beg to differ. I think you&#8217;ve done pretty well!</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Okay. Well, I&#8217;ll stipulate to that.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: <em>(Laughs)</em> So, a couple things you said earlier. First of all, what park did you refer when you&#8217;re talking about going to the park?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, there were several around there, and one of them was just land that was left over from a construction site. We called it &#8220;the park,&#8221; but another one of it was a park that was there in back of Thomas Jefferson or off to the side. I think they put a junior high in that land right now, but then it was just a park. It had a little water; by that I mean natural water. And a tree to sit under and eat a ham sandwich.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Did you ever make it down to Lee Park?</p>
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<p>Michael Nesmith: Yeah, I did. I spent a lot of time down there. I love Turtle Creek, and there was a time when I was thinking about moving back to Dallas. And I was looking at Turtle Creek realizing what a beautiful area it is in the scheme of things.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: You also mentioned (sorry, the cat just jumped up on the desk). So, you talked about smoking a little bit. What was your introduction to smoking pot? When did that happen?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, that happened in my 20&#8217;s. Marijuana was a Schedule I drug back in those days. It still is. Oh, no. Not anymore, it&#8217;s not. And a Schedule I drug carried serious penalties. And then, of course, there was the whole rapist and murderers and killers and robbers and so forth who were supposed to comprise the marijuana smoking community in the eyes of my family, who were construction guys and druggists and hardware store owners and so forth. Liquor store owners. So, they fell very easily into the lure of, &#8220;Don&#8217;t ever smoke dope. You&#8217;ll go blind, and it&#8217;ll ruin your life, and you&#8217;ll lose your memory and your sense of taste.&#8221; And so, that just sounded like, &#8220;Hmm. I gotta get over and try that out. I mean, I don&#8217;t know what that&#8217;s about, but it seems like it&#8217;s a lot more fun.&#8221;</p>
<div id="attachment_7098" style="width: 239px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7098" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7098 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/studio-1.jpg?resize=229%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="229" height="300" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/studio-1.jpg?w=763&amp;ssl=1 763w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/studio-1.jpg?resize=229%2C300&amp;ssl=1 229w" sizes="(max-width: 229px) 100vw, 229px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7098" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Michael in the studio at WFAA. Courtesy Bud Buchardt and WFAA</em></p></div>
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<p>Paul Heckmann: Ah, the forbidden fruit.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Yeah, yeah. Well, and a lot more fun that what I was doing, which I wasn&#8217;t drawn to alcohol at all. I&#8217;m still not, but this dope, this drug, this marijuana thing started to work pretty good. And then I heard music on it for the first time. First music I really heard on it was back in probably &#8217;65, sometime. I&#8217;d gotten in The Monkees, and everybody was smoking dope except me, and I was carrying around these kind of horrible fear of it. And then the guy who finally turned me on was a guy who ultimately ran Elect Records. It was a guy named Bob Krasnow, and I said, &#8220;Oh, well I see what the fuss is now.&#8221; This enhances the way music sounds to my ears by orders of magnitude.&#8221; And then I guess the final cooker, the one that just put a fork in me, was Little Wing. I listened to Hendrix play on tour, because he opened for us for a while for The Monkees. And then I was high, and I heard him play Little Wing on a big stereo system. And it was loud enough for it to sound lie a concert, and I don&#8217;t know, I think my blood changed type. I mean, something happened at that moment that I just went from, &#8220;Holy smokes. We&#8217;re not in &#8216;O&#8217; positive land anymore. This is something like &#8216;R&#8217; squared. I don&#8217;t know what this is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann:  Ha! (laughs) So, let me backtrack again here. Dallas Theater Center teen Program. Tell me a little bit about that.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, I was a teen. I didn&#8217;t know anything about the program except I was in it. My mother was doing a lot of pro bono work for them. And some of the members of the church that she was a member of were helping with administration, and they helped get the building built. It was quite a controversial building; I suppose it still is. But it was glaringly controversial when it first went up because it was there on Turtle Creek in that beautiful lot that it&#8217;s on now. And the conventional and traditional folks that populated Turtle Creek just thought it was a monstrosity. And, of course, I thought it looked like the Guggenheim. I thought it was the most beautiful thing I&#8217;d ever seen, but that was me. I was 15 or 14 or whatever it was, and I loved being in the environment. It taught me how important setting is to making music. And the druggies, or the researchers doing work on hallucinogens point out how important set and setting is. Of course, they don&#8217;t mean what I mean by it, but what they&#8217;re saying is that really counts for a lot in the way we define the lives we lead. So, I paid a lot of attention to that, once I understood that. And it was grass that unfolded that; grass and a good teacher that unfolded that for me. Said, &#8220;You&#8217;re starting to feel the setting. You&#8217;re starting to feel the set, the way your mindset is right now, and the way you&#8217;re feeling. And that will expand to this music.&#8221; And I kinda knew what they were talking about, but after the first bar of Little Wing, I was just a puddle.</p>
<div id="attachment_7097" style="width: 636px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7097" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7097" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?resize=626%2C403&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="626" height="403" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?w=626&amp;ssl=1 626w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?resize=300%2C193&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 626px) 100vw, 626px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7097" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Postively 13 O&#8217;Clock with Jimmy Rabbit and Bugs Henderson at Louann&#8217;s (bugs on guitar) courtesy Garage Hangover and Jimmy Rabbit</em></p></div>
<p> </p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Oh, yeah. That was incredible. So, about this time in your life, after Thomas Jefferson, Dallas Theater, that&#8217;s about when you probably went to Louann&#8217;s, I would imagine. Wasn&#8217;t it about this time?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, I&#8217;m of the memory that I went to Louann&#8217;s for the show. Louann&#8217;s was just huge. It was really a megalith. The Meadows Building was across the street from Louann&#8217;s and Louann&#8217;s seemed to be about the same size. Seemed to me that Louann&#8217;s must have been at least 2-3 acres in just the building itself, the covered space. It was quite amazing just what a huge space it was. I&#8217;m not sure people that were coming and going realized that because they went through a swinging door that was pulled shut by a spring and made a couple of slaps after it hit. It was just so different from the Meadows building which was really an office building. Folks just didn&#8217;t realized what a megalith Louann&#8217;s was. But you know that in order to get three to four thousand people in a building, that&#8217;s the size of a small stadium. The first time I saw a show advertised in Dallas Morning News, was that Bo Diddley was gonna play there. Because by that time, I had heard that song, &#8220;Bo Diddley,&#8221; and I had heard &#8220;Can&#8217;t Judge A Book by Looking at Its Cover,&#8221; and &#8220;Who Do You Love.&#8221; And, well, I could recite the name of every song on that album. There was something in my mind about the way that album sounded. It went to the fact that it was on a 78 LP record, which is to say that it was thin. And I didn&#8217;t feel the pulse. I got the intellectual and intelligent part of the pulse, and I could see how that would stretch across the eons to the first sound that you made because it&#8217;s a real natural drum beat. I didn&#8217;t really understand Bo Diddley until I listened to him when I was really high. And it was that; I thought, &#8220;There&#8217;s something else going on in this rhythm that makes it so meaningful.&#8221; And the more I studied it, the more I realized there is a counterpoint that&#8217;s being played against what Bo Diddley has played. So, I played the record enough to wear the grooves off of it, but I also discovered in that record that there was a low drum part. I think it was being played on toms, but it was going &#8220;bum ch bum bum, ch bum bum, bum ch bum bum, ch bum bum.&#8221; And so that was primitive. It just felt really like something coming out of a jungle. But across the top of it were all these little, I suppose we can call them striations, because that&#8217;s the way I think of it. I think of it geologically. And across are these striations, like a line of gold that went through a mountain of sulfur. And it would be these little ticks that the drummer was playing, and tics and triplets instead of the, &#8220;bada ti ti, ah ti ah ti, ooh pop pop,&#8221; where it got very, very complex.</p>
<p>And I realized if that&#8217;s played incorrectly, it doesn&#8217;t sound good because it starts to muddy. It goes, &#8220;Chah puh chi pah pah, p-cha p-cha p-chi p-chop, p-chop.&#8221; And I thought, &#8220;Well, whoever&#8217;s playing that – the drummer must be playing that; that&#8217;s what it sounds like to me – has really informed this rhythmic pattern so that it becomes memorable and resonant with ages. And I just thought, &#8220;I gotta learn this,&#8221; and I learned to play it on the guitar. So, I could play, &#8220;cha buh chi cha chum cha chum chum,&#8221; like that. Easy enough. And if I could get a drummer and a bass player to understand it the way I did then it would come to life. But they didn&#8217;t. No one would understand it until I finally began to unpack this little cross point rhythm that was going on while the bass and drums and in some way the lead rhythm guitar – which, in all cases was Bo himself. And then, there was Lady Bo, who nobody ever saw. She was off to the side with the three Diddley-ettes or whatever singers that they were, and she was the one. She played a Stratocaster, and she was the one that was playing all those little intricate, internal rhythmic. So, she was the one going, and they were all accents. And when she played, that&#8217;s when the whole thing turned into earth moving. And you couldn&#8217;t sit still. I had to get up and dance around like a fool, but there wasn&#8217;t any way to not move to that music. And there was also no way to avoid the infusion of just joyous spirit that it inculcated because it was personal; it was close. Second of all, it was in a three or four thousand square foot bar room that enhanced the bass and the lower end of it beyond anything I&#8217;ve heard outside of a sports arena. And it was Bo Diddley and Lady Bo. So, when that all came together, I went through the apocalyptic state. That&#8217;s the wrong word, but where I couldn&#8217;t move and just stared, slack-jawed at what appeared to be a caravan from Mars, listening to them lay down this incredible pulse and this incredible sound. And then finally dancing to is, and then finally playing it so that when I finally went. When we did our first Monkees concert in Hawaii, the producer said, &#8220;You know, everybody should do a solo number. You can pick your own wands.&#8221; And everybody picked their own wands. I think Mickey sang, &#8220;Johnny Be Good,&#8221; and Pete sang, &#8220;Cripple Creek,&#8221; and Davey sang a Broadway show, maybe &#8220;The Street Where You Live&#8221; or something. And I sang, &#8220;You Can&#8217;t Judge A Book by Its Cover&#8221; from Bo Diddley. And while I was learning that song, that&#8217;s when I began to study Jerome Green&#8217;s maraca playing. And later on, I began to realize, &#8220;Oh, this is where Mick Jagger got that from.&#8221; And whoever plays maraca&#8217;s in front of a rock and roll band understands it through the heartbeat of Jerome Green, the maraca player from Bo Diddley</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: I know you moved to Los Angeles, and I guess you were about 20 years old when you moved there?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Yeah, something like that.</p>
<div id="attachment_7102" style="width: 660px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7102" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7102" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Michael-Nesmith-strums-a-12-string-Sunburst-Gretsch-electric-guitar-sound-checking-at-the-Hollywood-Bowl-on-June-9-1967.-Courtesy-Monkees-Rhino-Entertainment.jpg?resize=650%2C878&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="650" height="878" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Michael-Nesmith-strums-a-12-string-Sunburst-Gretsch-electric-guitar-sound-checking-at-the-Hollywood-Bowl-on-June-9-1967.-Courtesy-Monkees-Rhino-Entertainment.jpg?w=650&amp;ssl=1 650w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Michael-Nesmith-strums-a-12-string-Sunburst-Gretsch-electric-guitar-sound-checking-at-the-Hollywood-Bowl-on-June-9-1967.-Courtesy-Monkees-Rhino-Entertainment.jpg?resize=222%2C300&amp;ssl=1 222w" sizes="(max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7102" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Michael Nesmith strums a 12-string Sunburst Gretsch electric guitar sound checking at the Hollywood Bowl on June 9, 1967. Courtesy Monkees-Rhino Entertainment</em></p></div>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay, and you took over as the hoot master. Tell me a little about being a Hoot Master. What was your job?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, that&#8217;s a pretty dense subject to get into, Paul. As you can see, it occupies a big portion of the book. I don&#8217;t know I can give much more information about it other than they needed somebody to run The Hoots. And I didn&#8217;t know what The Hoots was, but I knew what they wanted. And so, that&#8217;s what I did, and it was up to me to curate the – It&#8217;s like an open mic night is these days. People get up, they would sing, and they just sit down. And it was up to me to select who would get up and sing, which I would do before the show started, and then I did that up until I left to start working on The Monkees.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay. Now, you were working – Did you work at all with the New Christy Minstrels?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: No, but I worked with Randy Sparks&#8217; new group that was being used to replace the Minstrels, called The Survivors. But we didn&#8217;t make it very far because somebody burned the club down that we were in, and it burned up all of our instruments and so forth.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: So, this was before The Monkees.</p>
<div id="attachment_7106" style="width: 630px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7106" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7106" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.jpg?resize=620%2C365&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="620" height="365" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.jpg?w=620&amp;ssl=1 620w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.jpg?resize=300%2C177&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7106" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ad for four &#8220;insane&#8221; boys 17-21 ages. Courtesy Michael Nesmith</em></p></div>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, it was right at the same time that The Monkees were instantiating.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Okay, okay. And you went over, and you applied. Do you remember the application process you went through for The Monkees?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: It was all just meeting people. That&#8217;s where I met Lester Silland and Wart Sylvester who would be the producer of the shows. The basically told me to &#8220;Say hello to this; say hello to this.&#8221; And there were people down there like, &#8220;Do you know this guy, do you know –&#8221; And I did know most of them from The Hoots, and they knew me. And we were all trying to get work; that&#8217;s basically what it was. Bouncing, you know.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Did they ask you about your musical playing ability at all?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: No, they didn&#8217;t. And as I say in the book, it became more and more apparent to me that I was not hired to play; I was hired to perform as an actor. So, when I got that through my head and started giving them back what they wanted, which was performing as an actor, then the sellouts and so forth, parts of it, people who just were looking for work, started to take me over as well. I started to think, &#8220;Well, just do it for the money and go home,&#8221; but I couldn&#8217;t really do that because they were playing music, and music was too important to me. Is too important to me.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Well, I won&#8217;t go into depth on that part of it. It&#8217;s all in the book, But I&#8217;m really fascinated about the Don Kirshner bet. It seemed to me like there was a lot of bad blood, I guess, with Don Kirshner. Would that be fair to say?</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, it&#8217;s fair to say if you go to a party with me and Don and all the people, Don becomes a pariah, and the rest of us become the cool guys. But that wasn&#8217;t what governed the dynamic; it was a power and money play. And Kirshner wanted to have the power and the money on his side of the ledger at Screen Gems, which was a publishing company, and did not want it to go on to the side of the ledger that would make it go into the television and motion picture department of Columbia Pictures. In one instance, it would enter into his benefit in the forms of bonuses and benefits, and the other way, it would just pump his coffers full that would give him percentages of bonuses and so forth. And so, when our producer of headquarters told me that the first royalty check he got for headquarters was a million dollars, and those were sort of the numbers that were falling off the back of the truck. Everybody was diving into that pile of money except for me and the crew people, who had jobs and salaries. It was like, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what to do. I can get in there and look like Scrooge McDuck and throw the money up over my head and pretend to take a shower in it. But outside that, nothing&#8217;s gonna happen.&#8221; </p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: (laughs) I remember in your book you also said that you sold over 35 million records in 1967. More than The Beatles and The Rolling Stones combined. Tell me that story.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Well, it&#8217;s also a lie, as you know if you read the whole thing. It&#8217;s not true. That was pumped in there in the middle of an interview that I was doing with an Australian newspaper person, and when I started talking to him about The Monkees, I said, &#8220;Okay, look. I know that you, as a reporter, take a lot of license, and you say things that aren&#8217;t always true. And you say things that sometimes are. So, here&#8217;s the game I&#8217;m gonna play with you: I&#8217;m going to lie to you, but I&#8217;m never going to tell you when I&#8217;m lying.&#8221; I write it in some detail in the book, so you can look through that in there. I don&#8217;t remember to this day what his name was or what his newspaper was, but I do remember that two days later, that number – the 35 million records – popped up in the newspaper as truth. As verified, validated press truth. But the more amazing thing is if you go to Google right now and put in, &#8220;How many records did The Monkees sell?&#8221; it will repeat that lie: 35 million. We didn&#8217;t ever sell anywhere near 35 million records.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: It grew legs and ran away.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: That&#8217;s it. It was absolute fabrication. But I wasn&#8217;t being mendacious, because I said to him in the beginning, I said, &#8220;Look, I&#8217;ll tell you some truths, and I&#8217;ll tell you not. If I tell you I&#8217;m telling you the truth, you can sort of bank on that, but you can&#8217;t take it all the way to the bank because I&#8217;m not always telling the truth.&#8221; So, that&#8217;s how it was left. Well, here&#8217;s my truth, Paul, I&#8217;ve run out of time. Well, I&#8217;ve enjoyed talking to you, Paul Heckmann. I hope this article goes well for you.</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Thanks. Well, I&#8217;ll send you a copy when you get all this stuff done. Thank you so much, sir, for your time.</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Very good. Great interview!</p>
<p>Paul Heckmann: Thank you sir!</p>
<p>Michael Nesmith: Bye-bye. </p>
<div id="attachment_4432" style="width: 1034px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4432" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-4432" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/5c9877-20190221-peter-tork-of-the-monkees-03-1024x817-1.png?resize=1000%2C798&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="798" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/5c9877-20190221-peter-tork-of-the-monkees-03-1024x817-1.png?w=1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/5c9877-20190221-peter-tork-of-the-monkees-03-1024x817-1.png?resize=300%2C239&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/5c9877-20190221-peter-tork-of-the-monkees-03-1024x817-1.png?resize=768%2C613&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-4432" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The boys in the band. The Monkees, courtesy Michael Nesmith and The Monkees</em></p></div>
<p>Michael has gone on to be a founder of what we have come to know as MTV, TV soundtrack writer for &#8216;Breaking Bad&#8217;, &#8216;Starsky and Hutch&#8217; and &#8216;The Monkees&#8217;, Producer for movies like &#8216;Repo Man&#8217; and &#8216;Square Dance&#8217; and Actor in Portandia, Tapeheads and others</p>
<div id="attachment_7111" style="width: 839px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7111" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7111" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?resize=829%2C1280&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="829" height="1280" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?w=829&amp;ssl=1 829w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?resize=194%2C300&amp;ssl=1 194w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?resize=663%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 663w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?resize=768%2C1186&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 829px) 100vw, 829px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7111" class="wp-caption-text"><em>&#8220;Infinite Tuesday&#8221; by Michael Nesmith, courtesy Michael Nesmith</em></p></div>
<p><strong>&#8220;Infinite Tuesday&#8221;, by Michael Nesmith</strong></p>
<p><strong>Special permission granted and excerpted from INFINITE TUESDAY: AN AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL RIFF Copyright © 2017 by Michael Nesmith. </strong><strong>Published by Crown Archetype, an imprint of Penguin Random House.</strong></p>
<p>Permission granted an excerpted from INFINITE TUESDAY: AN AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL RIFF Copyright © 2017 by Michael Nesmith. Published by Crown Archetype, an imprint of Penguin Random House.</p>
<p><strong><em>There was a club in the late 1950s in Dallas called Louann’s, a hangout for dancing and drinking and carousing. It was mostly for the throwaway evenings of drunken college kids, but the musical acts that played there would become the stuff of legend, some of the most famous players in rock and roll history. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, Ike and Tina Turner all played there, and these were the secondary acts.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>The club’s headliners were the big country acts of the time, like Ray Price. Strangely, the biggest act in Louann’s history was Lawrence Welk’s polka orchestra, which drew over six thousand people—not that the club could seat them. </em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>When the acts that appealed to me came through Louann’s, I would go if I could. One night I went to see Bo Diddley. I wanted to watch him and Peggy and Jerome doing live what I had only heard them doing on record—to see if it was real. When they took the stage I could see that this was a band of the strangest and highest order.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Bo created an astounding presence, with his low-slung homemade guitar, his white sport coat and bow tie, his band all in red plaid jackets with bow ties—except for Peggy. She was in a skintight one-piece gold lamé suit and stiletto heels. She was attached to a low-slung electric guitar similar to Bo’s. They were playing through Fender Reverb amplifiers. Before they played a note, their presence made the whole room crackle with electricity. When they played, something started up like a powerful engine, different than with any other players I had heard.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>The cantilever that Bo and Peggy created in their rhythms made space for itself, just like the art of Marcel Duchamp and Richard Hamilton, Hendrix and Lennon. The maracas mixed in the legacy touch of Latin claves and a drop of Southern hambone, so when Peggy and Bo added the thunder from their guitars, the result was a pulse that made everyone move, that made me want to sing, that sat me straight up and held me there. When the thunderclaps started pausing in tight syncopation with the drums, the rhythm roared like a wind-driven rainstorm on water.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>And when Bo sang “I look like a farmer, but I’m a lover!” I knew exactly what he was singing about, what he was saying. Bo and Peggy and Jerome were the first iteration of the Jimi Hendrix Experience in my life, the first time I kissed the sky. When Bo played live that night, I heard music for the first time that matched what I heard in my head. Up till then, I heard lots of music that came close but wasn’t ever really complete. The twelve songs on that first Bo Diddley record from 1958 became my foundation in rock and roll. When I played my solo section on the first Monkees tour, it was Jerome Green holding eight maracas at Louann’s that I would emulate in homage.</em></strong></p>
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<p>"I really loved working at Louann's, all those bands and people. It was really exciting! We would go in every morning, stack the chairs on the tables, sweep the floors, stock the bars. There were two, one in the front and one in the back. And Ann was really the guiding force behind Louann's. She was inventive. She added the 'To Go' place on the Lovers Lane side. We cooked hamburgers and pizzas, she added a Barbecue pit and we cooked brisket. Ann's sister, My Aunt Stella and her husband came down from Chicago where they had a pizzeria. Uncle Pete was a master pizza maker. He did everything from making the dough from scratch, ground the cheese, sliced the pepperoni. So he taught us how to do everything." Pat Martinkus</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Louann&#8217;s &#8211; Part 3</strong></em></h1>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>by Paul Heckmann, Executive Director, <a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/">Memories Inc.</a></em></strong></h4>
<div id="attachment_7584" style="width: 497px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7584" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7584 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Sunset-class-of-1954-a-group-from-Sunset-High-School-in-1955-for-a-New-Years-Eve-Party-at-Louanns.jpg?resize=487%2C391&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="487" height="391" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Sunset-class-of-1954-a-group-from-Sunset-High-School-in-1955-for-a-New-Years-Eve-Party-at-Louanns.jpg?w=487&amp;ssl=1 487w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Sunset-class-of-1954-a-group-from-Sunset-High-School-in-1955-for-a-New-Years-Eve-Party-at-Louanns.jpg?resize=300%2C241&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 487px) 100vw, 487px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7584" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Sunset class of 1954 &#8211; a group from Sunset High School in 1955 for a New Years Eve Party at Louanns. </em></p></div>
<p style="text-align: center;">Be sure to check out <a href="https://meminc.org/louanns1/">Part 1</a> and <a href="https://meminc.org/louanns2/">Part 2</a> if you haven&#8217;t already!</p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>Pat Martinkus</em></strong></h4>
<h5 style="text-align: center;"><em>Son of Anton Andrew &#8220;Marty&#8221; Martinkus and nephew of Ann and Lou Bovis.</em></h5>
<div id="attachment_7590" style="width: 218px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7590" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7590" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Feb-1939.png?resize=208%2C284&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="208" height="284" /><p id="caption-attachment-7590" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Anton and Celia getting married at The English Tavern on the State Fair Property, 1939, courtesy DMN</em></p></div>
<p>Paul: Tell me about your Dad and how he came to work at Louann&#8217;s</p>
<p>Pat: Dad came down for the State Fair Exposition in 1936 to work with Uncle Lou and Aunt Ann. That&#8217;s where dad met my mom when they were working there.</p>
<p>Mom and Dad lived in the house that was behind the original part of Louann&#8217;s. Dad got called back up in 1942 and was gone when the accident happened. Mom was there alone with my two sisters when the place caught on fire. Uncle Lou tried to get to them, but he couldn&#8217;t. Mom was lucky to get out alive.</p>
<div id="attachment_7601" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7601" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7601 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Martinkus-kids.jpg?resize=300%2C260&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="260" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Martinkus-kids.jpg?w=915&amp;ssl=1 915w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Martinkus-kids.jpg?resize=300%2C260&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Martinkus-kids.jpg?resize=768%2C666&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7601" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Martinkus kids who died in the fire. Courtesy the Martinkus family.</em></p></div>
<p>I was the first of the boys born when dad got back from the service. Then he had five more, there was six of us total.</p>
<p>I kinda grew up in Louann&#8217;s in the late 50&#8217;s and early 60&#8217;s. I can remember going up to Louann&#8217;s when I was about four years old. Uncle Lou was still alive, he had a big office kinda off to the side. I remember him picking me up like big guys do with little kids. He really loved kids. That was my only real memory of seeing him. He died around 1950.</p>
<p>Dad left Louann&#8217;s sometime in the late 50s, maybe 7-8 years after Uncle Lou died. We moved to Richardson for a while, then dad decided to open up a Mexican food restaurant in Carthage, Texas. You think Carthage was small? We actually lived in a little town called Gary about 10 miles outside of Carthage. As for the Mexican restaurant, where the heck he got that, I have no idea. It didn&#8217;t work out to well and within a year were back in Dallas.</p>
<p>Dad died when I was 15 and Ann kinda took me under her wing, she tried to make sure I went straight. She did a good job for the most part. She tried to put me through college but too much partying, girls and beer kinda ended that. Then Uncle Sam stepped in. More on that later.</p>
<p>Ann was a remarkable lady. I probably owe her my life. She took me in, took me to restaurants and really taught me so much about life that I might not have ever learned if she hadn&#8217;t been there. And she did all this while running that by herself for twenty years. She was there from morning to midnight just about every day. And she looked out for other kids too. Louanns was the only place youngsters could get into those days as the drinking age was 21. Ann would let the kids in just go to keep them off the street but don&#8217;t let her catch you with a drink in your hand.</p>
<p>Paul: What did you do there?</p>
<p>Pat: I really loved working there, all those bands and people. It was really exciting! We would go in every morning, stack the chairs on the tables, sweep the floors, stock the bars. There were two, one in the front and one in the back.</p>
<p>And Ann was really the guiding force behind Louann&#8217;s. She was inventive. She added the &#8216;To Go&#8217; place on the Lovers Lane side. We cooked hamburgers and pizzas, she added a Barbecue pit and we cooked brisket. Ann&#8217;s sister, My Aunt Stella and her husband came down from Chicago where they had a pizzeria. Uncle Pete was a master pizza maker. He did everything from making the dough from scratch, ground the cheese, sliced the pepperoni. So he taught us how to do everything.</p>
<p>This fella Lee would come over from across the street and eat there several times a week. He was working for Mr. Hardy at his golf range. He kept us in stitches every-time he came by. A few years later I&#8217;m reading Stars and Stripes and low and behold, there he is again, &#8216;Lee Trevino wins the US Open!&#8217;</p>
<div id="attachment_7609" style="width: 970px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7609" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7609 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Hardy-Haberman-Photo-was-taken-by-my-friend-Chris-Lyons-shortly-before-it-was-torn-down-and-given-to-me-as-a-gift-since-the-name-of-the-business-is-similar-to-mine.jpg?resize=960%2C720&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="960" height="720" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Hardy-Haberman-Photo-was-taken-by-my-friend-Chris-Lyons-shortly-before-it-was-torn-down-and-given-to-me-as-a-gift-since-the-name-of-the-business-is-similar-to-mine.jpg?w=960&amp;ssl=1 960w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Hardy-Haberman-Photo-was-taken-by-my-friend-Chris-Lyons-shortly-before-it-was-torn-down-and-given-to-me-as-a-gift-since-the-name-of-the-business-is-similar-to-mine.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Hardy-Haberman-Photo-was-taken-by-my-friend-Chris-Lyons-shortly-before-it-was-torn-down-and-given-to-me-as-a-gift-since-the-name-of-the-business-is-similar-to-mine.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Hardy-Haberman-Photo-was-taken-by-my-friend-Chris-Lyons-shortly-before-it-was-torn-down-and-given-to-me-as-a-gift-since-the-name-of-the-business-is-similar-to-mine.jpg?resize=370%2C278&amp;ssl=1 370w" sizes="(max-width: 960px) 100vw, 960px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7609" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Hardy&#8217;s Golf Range.. The photo was taken by Chris Lyons shortly before it was torn down. Courtesy Hardy Haberman</em></p></div>
<p>At night I would usually work as a ticket taker. Ann sold tickets at the front to get in and I would stand there and take them. When I turned 18, I started bar-tending. Sometimes in the cold weather, we would rent the place out for private parties, so I might be working in the coat check room.</p>
<p>As for the bands, by the time I got there the big band era was pretty much over. We started having the popular groups like The Drifters, and folks like Bo Diddly &#8211; I really liked him, Ike and Tina Turner while they were still together and then there was Jimmy Reed &#8211; he was a mess, his wife would sit down there in the front row and mouth the words to the songs so he could remember what he was supposed to sing.</p>
<p>I went in the Navy in 1966 and stayed in through 1970 so Louann&#8217;s was pretty much over by the time I got out.</p>
<p>After all that I joined the Garland Police Department and retired from there in 1993. I was able to buy my military time into the retirement system, which got me out of there a little quicker. Since then I&#8217;ve been in residential real estate with my wife. She had been doing it for a long time. I got my license while I was still in the Police Department so I hit the ground running.</p>
<p>Paul: Thanks so much for your time Pat. What a great snapshot of Louann&#8217;s</p>
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<div id="attachment_4321" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4321" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-4321" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/d505eb1609d93969faa6680ab1d56e0b-dallas-texas-sats-300x291-2.jpg?resize=300%2C291&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="291" /><p id="caption-attachment-4321" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ann Bovis of Louann&#8217;s in front of the entrance in an ad for Dal Tex. Courtesy the Bovis family</em></p></div>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong>&#8220;Infinite Tuesday&#8221;, by Micheal Nesmith</strong></h4>
<h6><strong>Permission granted and excerpted from INFINITE TUESDAY: AN AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL RIFF Copyright © 2017 by Michael Nesmith. Published by Crown Archetype, an imprint of Penguin Random House.</strong></h6>
<p><strong><em>There was a club in the late 1950s in Dallas called Louann’s, a hangout for dancing and drinking and carousing. It was mostly for the throwaway evenings of drunken college kids, but the musical acts that played there would become the stuff of legend, some of the most famous players in rock and roll history. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, Ike and Tina Turner all played there, and these were the secondary acts.</em></strong></p>
<div id="attachment_7111" style="width: 839px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7111" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7111" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?resize=829%2C1280&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="829" height="1280" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?w=829&amp;ssl=1 829w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?resize=194%2C300&amp;ssl=1 194w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?resize=663%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 663w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/thumbnail_Infinite-Tuesday-paperback_Final.jpg?resize=768%2C1186&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 829px) 100vw, 829px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7111" class="wp-caption-text"><em>&#8220;Infinite Tuesday&#8221; by Michael Nesmith, used with permission of the author and the publisher</em></p></div>
<p><em>The club’s headliners were the big country acts of the time, like Ray Price. Strangely, the biggest act in Louann’s history was Lawrence Welk’s polka orchestra, which drew over six thousand people—not that the club could seat them.</em></p>
<p><em>When the acts that appealed to me came through Louann’s, I would go if I could. One night I went to see Bo Diddley. I wanted to watch him and Peggy and Jerome doing live what I had only heard them doing on record—to see if it was real. When they took the stage I could see that this was a band of the strangest and highest order.</em></p>
<p><em>Bo created an astounding presence, with his low-slung homemade guitar, his white sport coat and bow tie, and his band all in red plaid jackets with bow ties—except for Peggy. She was in a skintight one-piece gold lamé suit and stiletto heels. She was attached to a low-slung electric guitar similar to Bo’s. They were playing through Fender Reverb amplifiers. Before they played a note, their presence made the whole room crackle with electricity. When they played, something started up like a powerful engine, different than with any other players I had heard.</em></p>
<p><em>The cantilever that Bo and Peggy created in their rhythms made space for itself, just like the art of Marcel Duchamp and Richard Hamilton, Hendrix, and Lennon. The maracas mixed in the legacy touch of Latin claves and a drop of Southern hambone, so when Peggy and Bo added the thunder from their guitars, the result was a pulse that made everyone move, that made me want to sing, that sat me straight up and held me there. When the thunderclaps started pausing in tight syncopation with the drums, the rhythm roared like a wind-driven rainstorm on water.</em></p>
<p><em>And when Bo sang “I look like a farmer, but I’m a lover!” I knew exactly what he was singing about, what he was saying. Bo and Peggy and Jerome were the first iteration of the Jimi Hendrix Experience in my life, the first time I kissed the sky. When Bo played live that night, I heard music for the first time that matched what I heard in my head. Up till then, I heard lots of music that came close but wasn’t ever really complete. The twelve songs on that first Bo Diddley record from 1958 became my foundation in rock and roll. When I played my solo section on the first Monkees tour, it was Jerome Green holding eight maracas at Louann’s that I would emulate in homage.</em></p>
<div id="attachment_7075" style="width: 388px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7075" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7075 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Bo-Diddley-on-his-square-Gretsch-guitar.-Courtesy-Wiki.jpg?resize=378%2C553&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="378" height="553" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Bo-Diddley-on-his-square-Gretsch-guitar.-Courtesy-Wiki.jpg?w=378&amp;ssl=1 378w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Bo-Diddley-on-his-square-Gretsch-guitar.-Courtesy-Wiki.jpg?resize=205%2C300&amp;ssl=1 205w" sizes="(max-width: 378px) 100vw, 378px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7075" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Bo Diddley on his &#8216;square&#8217; Gretsch guitar. Courtesy Wiki</em></p></div>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Tony Zoppi to the Dallas Morning News&#8217; Bob St. John, Sept 1982</strong></h4>
<h5>Tony covered Dallas nightlife in Dallas during the 1950s and 60s writing &#8216;Dallas After Dark&#8217;. After 17 years in Vegas (Riviera) Tony moved back to Dallas around the first of the year&#8230;taking over Public Relations at the Fairmont</h5>
<p><em>&#8220;I can&#8217;t believe the changes in Dallas&#8221; he was saying the other afternoon. &#8220;My old beats are now parking lots and garages downtown. When I was here before, Greenville Ave was in the boondocks. The only club there was Louann&#8217;s, and now the clubs are wall-to-wall.&#8221;</em></p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Dale Smith</strong></em></h4>
<h5><em>Singer with The Buccaneers, The Allusions, The Cast of Thousands, Surely Goodness and Mercy, The Audience, Care Package and Fat Band</em></h5>
<p>Paul: Tell me about coming to Dallas</p>
<p>Dale: The Allusions came to Dallas around May of 1965, and we played our first Dallas gig at Louann&#8217;s. Our friends from Oklahoma, The Mutineers had come down to Dallas where had been signed to a new label and were now known as The Five Americans. They had just recorded &#8220;I See The Light&#8221; with Dale Hawkins producing.</p>
<p>Paul: Tell me about the acoustics.</p>
<p>Dale: We never really worried about the acoustics. We could never hear ourselves over the crowd anyway. There was simply so many people there, they were lucky to hear us!</p>
<p>Our gig at Louann&#8217;s was on the big stage. We split sets with The Five Americans. On the little stage was The Chessmen with a 15-year-old Jimmy Vaughan in the band. They were splitting sets with a band called The Warlocks with Lady Wild. The Warlocks had a bassist who happened to play cello at Woodrow Wilson HS named Dusty Hill, with his brother Rocky playing lead. They also had a drummer named Little Richard Harris.</p>
<div id="attachment_7635" style="width: 752px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7635" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7635" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Dusty-Hill-on-bass-Richard-Harris-on-drums-1965.jpg?resize=742%2C628&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="742" height="628" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Dusty-Hill-on-bass-Richard-Harris-on-drums-1965.jpg?w=742&amp;ssl=1 742w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Dusty-Hill-on-bass-Richard-Harris-on-drums-1965.jpg?resize=300%2C254&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 742px) 100vw, 742px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7635" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Dusty Hill on bass, Richard Harris on drums 1965, courtesy the Crusader yearbook, Paula Bosse and Flashback Dallas for finding it.</em><br /><em>There’s a swinging new group in town billed as The Dead Beats, and they’ll be appearing through Sunday at the Jungle Dream on North Henderson. Rocky Hill plays lead guitar and Dusty Hill is the bassist. Little Richard Harris is a torrid drummer. The trio recently returned from Nashville and appeared at Louanns. The youngsters say they are America’s answer to The Beatles. How about that? (Dallas Morning News, Oct. 29, 1964, Tony Zoppi)</em></p></div>
<p>We were splitting sets with those guys playing the same time as The Chessmen. So we would go watch The Warlocks. My drummer Garland Scarberry dragged me back to the patio behind the stage. There were these four big windows, about 6&#8242; tall and 2&#8242; wide. You could see the whole back of the band from behind the stage, especially the drummer.</p>
<p>Garland spent the rest of the night between sets watching Little Richard Harris. He was fascinated by the way he twirled his drumsticks and studied him all night. All the way back to Ardmore, Garland practiced twirling his sticks. By the time our next gig rolled around, he had it down He turned into a great showman, as well as a great drummer.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>Larry Lavine</em></strong></h4>
<h5><em>Owner of Studio Club, Louann&#8217;s after the Bovis family, Kitty Hawk, and Founder of Chili&#8217;s</em></h5>
<p>Paul: Tell me about growing up in Dallas.</p>
<p>Larry: I&#8217;m from Dallas, went to Highland Park HS. I was always pretty independent but my dad died when I was young so I guess that made me even more so. I went to college at SMU and later UT Austin</p>
<div id="attachment_3581" style="width: 210px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3581" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-3581 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/studio-club-1960s-courtesy-Scarlet-Dukes-200x200-1-1.jpg?resize=200%2C200&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="200" height="200" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/studio-club-1960s-courtesy-Scarlet-Dukes-200x200-1-1.jpg?w=200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/studio-club-1960s-courtesy-Scarlet-Dukes-200x200-1-1.jpg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w" sizes="(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px" /><p id="caption-attachment-3581" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Studio Club, always packed. Courtesy Scarlett Dukes </em></p></div>
<p>Paul: Before we get into Louann&#8217;s, can you tell me a little about the Studio Club?</p>
<p>Larry: Sure, I had just got out of college. Studio Club was originally an adult nightclub that someone had built and spent a lot of money on it. So we decided to put in a club for teenagers that was only open on weekend during the school year. We opened in about 1965 and closed it down around 1971. We had local bands for the most part and sold SoHos and Cokes and Dr Peppers.</p>
<p>However from time to time we would have a big name like Chuck Berry or the Yardbirds. ZZ Tops played there too.</p>
<div id="attachment_7644" style="width: 738px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7644" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7644 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/35922901_1966005726765413_6858734777944506368_n.jpg?resize=728%2C960&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="728" height="960" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/35922901_1966005726765413_6858734777944506368_n.jpg?w=728&amp;ssl=1 728w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/35922901_1966005726765413_6858734777944506368_n.jpg?resize=228%2C300&amp;ssl=1 228w" sizes="(max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7644" class="wp-caption-text"><em>4th of July Concert, Thunderbird and Dancer, BYOB&#8230; courtesy the internet.</em></p></div>
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<p>Paul: And tell me about purchasing Louann&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Larry: We did so well with the Studio Club that I decided to branch out. I approached Ann about purchasing Louann&#8217;s and we worked out a deal, that was back in 1969.</p>
<p>Paul: At this point the property was about 29 years old. That&#8217;s a lot of years for any nightclub.</p>
<p>Larry: True. We put in a lot of work and money into Louann&#8217;s to bring it up to par. It had been around for a long time and wasn&#8217;t in the best shape for what we wanted to do. We ran it on the same concept as the Studio Club, open on the weekends and in the summer.</p>
<p>Tony Todora was the landlord then. Louann&#8217;s was leasing from him. He wanted to tear it down in 1970 as the property was becoming so valuable which of course didn&#8217;t happen. But I guess in a way he got his wish in 1971 when the place burned down.</p>
<p>Paul: Oh that was tragic. A lot of memories. How did you find out about the fire?</p>
<p>Larry: Not sure that I remember. I know I was not too far away and drove over while it was still burning. We had just paid off the purchase price shortly before that.</p>
<p>Paul: Did you recoup some of the money you lost from insurance?</p>
<p>Larry: No, back then that didn&#8217;t exist for that situation. It was a total loss for all of us.</p>
<p>We rebuilt Louann&#8217;s back on the Matilda side but it was never the same. Every club has a life and that one was over.</p>
<p>We ended up closing Louann&#8217;s and a short time later opened the same building as my first restaurant, &#8216;Kitty Hawk&#8217;. I did that with a partner, Malloy Buckner. At the same time we were developing the concept for Chili&#8217;s. My partner was more interested in Kitty Hawk so I sold him my interest and devoted all my time to Chili&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Paul: And of course on to &#8216;overnight fame&#8217; at Chili&#8217;s</p>
<p>Larry: We had a great team there. We were all young and crazy and got along so well.</p>
<p>Paul: I think that&#8217;s a whole story in itself. For another time.</p>
<p>One last question. I read that you married Carol Shelby&#8217;s daughter, is that correct?</p>
<p>Larry: Yes it is. He was a great guy.</p>
<p>Paul: And that is definitely something for another day. Thank you so much for your time</p>
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<p>"It is somewhat odd to learn more about your parents after their deaths than while they are living, but that is exactly what happened in my case. Indeed, the first inkling of just how exceptional they were occurred at my mother’s 80th birthday party where guests were invited to bring Louann’s memorabilia in lieu of gifts, and a 1947 Newsweek magazine was among the cache. The article inside provided a surprising insight into how multi-dimensional Lou and Ann Bovis were. I say “surprising” because I had no prior knowledge of that article, and it turned out to be just one of many discoveries ahead. Shortly after the death of my mother in 1993, I uncovered a treasure trove of old photos, newspapers, and magazines from the closets and files at her ranch. There were also deeds, contracts, wills, journals, adoption papers, 16mm family movies, scrapbooks, menus, greeting and post cards. Old letters were nestled inside the books of her vast library. Most of it I had never seen before. As I struggled with grief over my mother’s death, each old piece of my parents’ past brought fresh tears along with new respect and admiration." Chelle Bovis Banks</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong>Louann&#8217;s &#8211; Part 4</strong></h1>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><em>Story by Chelle Bovis Banks</em></h4>
<h5 style="text-align: center;">Be sure to check out <a href="https://meminc.org/louanns1/">Part 1, </a><a href="https://meminc.org/louanns2/">Part 2</a> and <a href="https://meminc.org/louanns3/">Part 3</a> if you haven&#8217;t already!</h5>
<div id="attachment_7665" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7665" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7665" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Curb-Service-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C805&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="805" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Curb-Service-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Curb-Service-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C242&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Curb-Service-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C825&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Curb-Service-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C619&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Curb-Service-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1237&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Curb-Service-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1650&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7665" class="wp-caption-text"><em>When they said &#8216;curb service&#8217; at Louann&#8217;s, they meant it! Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>The Lives And Times Of Lou and Ann Bovis </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>&#8216;Creating a Dallas Landmark&#8217;</em></strong><br /><em>By Chelle Bovis Banks</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Edited by Paul Heckmann, Executive Director Memories Incorporated</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">In loving memory of</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Louis William Bovis (1893–1950)<br />Ann T. Bovis (1910-1993)<br />Philip Charles Bovis (1947-1994)<br />Joseph Bovis (1948)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">And dedicated with love to<br />Louis W. Bovis II (1951-2007)</p>
<p><strong><em>Forward</em></strong></p>
<p>It is somewhat odd to learn more about your parents after their deaths than while they are living, but that is exactly what happened in my case. Indeed, the first inkling of just how exceptional they were occurred at my mother’s 80th birthday party where guests were invited to bring Louann’s memorabilia in lieu of gifts, and a 1947 Newsweek magazine was among the cache. The article inside provided a surprising insight into how multi-dimensional Lou and Ann Bovis were. I say “surprising” because I had no prior knowledge of that article, and it turned out to be just one of many discoveries ahead.</p>
<p>Shortly after the death of my mother in 1993, I uncovered a treasure trove of old photos, newspapers, and magazines from the closets and files at her ranch. There were also deeds, contracts, wills, journals, adoption papers, 16mm family movies, scrapbooks, menus, greeting and post cards. Old letters were nestled inside the books of her vast library. Most of it I had never seen before. As I struggled with grief over my mother’s death, each old piece of my parents’ past brought fresh tears along with new respect and admiration.</p>
<div id="attachment_7666" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7666" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7666" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lou-and-Anns-wedding-dinner-at-Louanns-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C686&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="686" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lou-and-Anns-wedding-dinner-at-Louanns-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lou-and-Anns-wedding-dinner-at-Louanns-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C206&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lou-and-Anns-wedding-dinner-at-Louanns-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C702&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lou-and-Anns-wedding-dinner-at-Louanns-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C527&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lou-and-Anns-wedding-dinner-at-Louanns-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1054&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lou-and-Anns-wedding-dinner-at-Louanns-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1405&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7666" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lou and Ann&#8217;s wedding dinner at Louanns. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>For many years I have wanted to document the lives of the two remarkable people to whom that over-75-years of history belongs. It would be a shame if it were lost forever. Still, I did not know where to begin or even who could help identify so much of what I found. After all, most of my memories as a child were simple ones: roller skating or bicycle riding in the outdoor garden at the club, searching under the tables for pocket change or bills lost by patrons the evening before, playing Bingo on Shriner’s night, or watching all the beautiful people dancing. Even though friends and relatives have often encouraged me to write a book about the couple, it was only after much research that I could put enough of the pieces together to do them justice.</p>
<p>So, now it is with great pride that I share with you a portion of the lives and times of Lou and Ann Bovis as pertains to their landmark night club and other of their lesser known, yet note-worthy, accomplishments during the years it was in existence. This is far from their whole story, but then that really would take a book. For those of you who are former Louann’s patrons, I hope you enjoy this trip down memory lane and that it rekindles your own, more personal memories of this wonderful part of Dallas history.</p>
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<p>It is rather difficult to describe what was so special about Louann’s. Perhaps you just had to be there. Dallas certainly had plenty of drive-ins, restaurants, and night clubs; so what was so unique about this one that it flourished for three decades in the same location and under the same ownership and management while so many others faded away? Whether it was an annual convention of “little people,” a company Christmas party, a politician’s victory bash, a wedding reception, or just the usual crowd – what it came down to was that Louann’s was affordable, was easily accessible from anywhere in Dallas, had plenty of parking, served delicious food, and had lots of room to dance indoors and out. Further, it had the customer support to afford the biggest names in musical entertainment. It was a simple formula that added up to good, clean fun for everyone. And behind it all were its two charismatic owners who cared about the wants and needs of their customers, were flexible to changing times, and who gave back generously to their community.</p>
<p>What brought Lou and Ann Bovis to Dallas, as it did many others, was the 1936 Texas Centennial on the Fair Grounds where they operated the English Village outdoor dance spot and Falstaff Tavern restaurant and lived in a small apartment above their business. Both were avid golfers and Ann frequently found time to play a round with her friend Babe Didrikson, the 1932 Olympian who had taken up golf in 1935 and who later helped organize the Ladies Professional Golf Association (LPGA). Ann and Lou stayed on through the Pan-American Exposition in 1938 and 1939; and as it wound down, they began looking for land on which to build a permanent place.</p>
<div id="attachment_7671" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7671" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7671" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/20190328_120541-2-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C854&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="854" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/20190328_120541-2-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/20190328_120541-2-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C256&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/20190328_120541-2-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C874&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/20190328_120541-2-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C656&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/20190328_120541-2-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1311&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/20190328_120541-2-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1748&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7671" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Blueprint for one of the buildings in the English Village at the Texas Centennial, courtesy Dallas Historical Society</em></p></div>
<p>In 1939, they leased a little more than five acres at the southeast corner of Greenville Avenue and Lovers Lane which was then considered very far, north Dallas. (In 1946 they purchased the 5+ acres from the Carruth&#8217;s for $3000.00 per acre.) They moved all the lumber they could salvage from their former business at the Fair Grounds and began constructing Louann’s which was originally considered a drive-in.</p>
<p>The building faced Greenville Avenue, with a large area between the front doors and the street for the customers to park. Colored awnings provided shade, and waitresses dressed like cowgirls served patrons right at their cars (or occasionally, their planes!). Drive-ins were very popular at the time, with a new one opening monthly or even weekly somewhere in the Dallas–Fort Worth area. The ladies who served drive-in customers were called “hop girls” and their costumes (usually abbreviated) were a big draw. The Dallas Journal referred to them as <em>“glamburger gals”</em> and observed that customers of drive-ins had increased by the hundreds and were giving the downtown restaurants a run for their money.</p>
<p>The official grand opening of Louann’s took place at 6:00 pm on June 8, 1940. An ad ran in several local papers the day before inviting people to <em>“Drive in for curb service or come in and dine in air-cooled comfort. Efficient service. Dainty Texanitas to serve you. Or if you prefer, dine and dance on our open-air terrace. No cover charge weekdays.”</em></p>
<div id="attachment_4161" style="width: 778px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4161" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4161 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Louanns-thru-the-years-top-1939-middle-1941-bottom-1960-768x448-1.jpg?resize=768%2C448&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="768" height="448" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Louanns-thru-the-years-top-1939-middle-1941-bottom-1960-768x448-1.jpg?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Louanns-thru-the-years-top-1939-middle-1941-bottom-1960-768x448-1.jpg?resize=300%2C175&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px" /><p id="caption-attachment-4161" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Louann&#8217;s original setup, around 1940 with the old drive-in awnings. Although they owned a farm around Abrams and NW Highway, they had an apartment upstairs for when they worked the 24 hour operation, to grab a few winks. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>The second floor of the building contained the couple’s living quarters, which was a necessary convenience since the business was open 24 hours a day. The ground floor provided “inside” dining and boasted two private dining rooms, with a kitchen on the north side of the building. At the rear (east side) of Louann’s was a terrace which Ann referred to as the “porch” where patrons could dine and/or dance outside to the music of a jukebox. On Saturdays, the cover charge was 10¢ or 20¢, but during the week it was waived. The original clientele included many older couples (some with children in tow); but as time went on, Louann’s became a favorite of college and high-school aged kids.</p>
<p>By fall, the “drive-in” had begun its metamorphosis. Ann said that she came downstairs one morning and Lou was building a dance floor. The Daily Times Herald reported in its column Night Clubs and Bands:</p>
<p><em>“Lou Bovis is having Louann’s dine and dance spot . . . fixed up for winter. A roof is being placed over the dance floor and the area is being walled in. . . .”</em></p>
<div id="attachment_7716" style="width: 1988px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7716" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7716" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Ad-in-SMU-paper-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C1294&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1294" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Ad-in-SMU-paper-scaled.jpg?w=1978&amp;ssl=1 1978w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Ad-in-SMU-paper-scaled.jpg?resize=232%2C300&amp;ssl=1 232w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Ad-in-SMU-paper-scaled.jpg?resize=791%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 791w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Ad-in-SMU-paper-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C994&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Ad-in-SMU-paper-scaled.jpg?resize=1187%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1187w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Ad-in-SMU-paper-scaled.jpg?resize=1583%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1583w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7716" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ad in SMU paper for Louann&#8217;s. Courtesy Southern Methodist University</em></p></div>
<p>And, on October 30, 1940, a large ad appeared announcing the</p>
<p><em>“Gala Opening of Louann’s Winter Lodge” with a Halloween Masquerade Dance on October 31. “Come in costume or as you are. Now for your pleasure, Louann’s gives you their permanently heated and enclosed winter lodge for dining and dancing. New floor, new atmosphere, the same excellent food and service. Same price policy. No cover charge except weekends and holidays.”</em></p>
<p>The following day, The Daily Times Herald reported:</p>
<p><em>Lou Bovis has revamped his spot out on the Richardson Road (early name for Greenville Ave, aka Richardson Pike) and has transformed Louann’s into a winter garden. The dance floor has been completely enclosed and temperature will be kept constant at 80?. Mr. Bovis says a huge fireplace has been installed and the room will have a capacity of 600 people. He opens the new room tonight with a Halloween masquerade party, but patrons without holiday costumes will be admitted. Mr. Bovis said that a new policy of the place provides for matinee dancing daily with no cover charge being levied.</em></p>
<p>On New Year’s Eve 1940, patrons enjoyed that big, warm new room with its roaring fireplace and danced to live entertainment for the first time at Louann’s. For $1.50 each, celebrants could stay all night and dance to the music of Phil Baxter and his Orchestra. Party favors and noisemakers were included. Dinners were priced at 40¢ and up.</p>
<div id="attachment_4430" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4430" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4430 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Louanns-Front-300x223-1.png?resize=300%2C223&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="223" /><p id="caption-attachment-4430" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Original building for Louann&#8217;s. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>The following spring, Lou began constructing the new outdoor dance garden. Its completion coincided with the first anniversary of Louann’s. An ad in The Dallas Morning News showed a huge birthday cake with people dancing all around it.<em> “Celebrating our Birthday with the Opening of a new Outdoor Garden. Saturday Nite’s The Big Night! June Seventh. Two Floors! One Covered. One Outdoors.”</em> Louann’s now had a seating capacity of 1200.</p>
<p>On the north side of Louann’s, and accessed via Lovers Lane, Lou erected two small houses. One of them was occupied by Ann’s older brother Anton (nicknamed Marty) and his wife Celia. Celia and her brother had been very popular country-western singers and had frequently performed at Lou’s English Village in Fair Park. Celia and Marty had even been married there. In the ’40s, both worked at Louann’s until Marty re-enlisted in the Army during World War II. One evening in January 1944, while Celia was helping out at the club, her two small daughters were left alone in their frame house. It was later determined that they had been playing with matches near a gas heater and had set the house on fire, burning it to the ground along with both children. Lou had tried to rescue them but was unsuccessful. According to Ann, he suffered his first heart attack not long after the attempt.</p>
<div id="attachment_7601" style="width: 925px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7601" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7601" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Martinkus-kids.jpg?resize=915%2C794&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="915" height="794" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Martinkus-kids.jpg?w=915&amp;ssl=1 915w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Martinkus-kids.jpg?resize=300%2C260&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Martinkus-kids.jpg?resize=768%2C666&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 915px) 100vw, 915px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7601" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Martinkus kids who died in the fire. Courtesy the Martinkus family.</em></p></div>
<p>Just a few months earlier, as Lou and Ann had begun to prosper from the success of their nightclub, they had looked for land on which to build a home. About a mile east of Louann’s, they purchased 12 acres for a total of $8000 in October 1943. The property was bounded by Northwest Highway in the north, Fisher Road in the south, and Abrams Road in the east, with the railroad track to the west. They cleared a road from Fisher to meet with Northwest Highway, a stretch that became known as Maternity Row with the total acreage affectionately termed Pregnant Valley. Ann used to say that she would always ask Lou for more land whenever he wanted to buy her something special. So, over the years they continued to acquire adjacent property, finally amassing 26 acres.</p>
<p>In March 1945, Louann’s was awarded a Certificate of Good Citizenship by Southern Methodist University <em>“In Recognition of Outstanding Service Rendered the City of Dallas and the Advancement of Progress and Learning in the Southwest.”</em> In May 1945, the Dallas Chamber of Commerce certified that Louann’s had been elected a member and <em>“Contributes to the upbuilding of Dallas and the Southwest.”</em> Ann and Lou became so popular that they were even called upon by local merchants to do endorsements for their products.</p>
<p>On July 10, 1945, after many years together, Lou and Ann were officially married at Christ the King Catholic Church in Dallas by Rev. W. J. Nold, a close personal friend who later became the Bishop of Galveston. And on April 26, 1946, they adopted a boy, Anthony (nicknamed Tony, who had been living with them since November 1944) and a girl (who had been in their care since November 1945) who was renamed Chelle in honor of Lou’s deceased daughter from a previous marriage. The court found that Lou and Ann’s home “is a suitable home for said children, and that the petitioners are suitable parents to adopt each of said children.”</p>
<p>The distribution of work was now altered somewhat with Ann staying home with the children in late evenings and Lou running the club. Ann would go to the club in the mornings and take care of the day’s purchases and deliveries, and oversee the cleaning and setting up for the night. She would run errands and do the banking. Lou would leave Ann little “love notes” in the office after closing the club, balancing the register, and preparing the bank deposit for the next day. An example follows:</p>
<div id="attachment_7685" style="width: 1712px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7685" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7685 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Love-note-Lou-to-Ann-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C1504&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1504" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Love-note-Lou-to-Ann-scaled.jpg?w=1702&amp;ssl=1 1702w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Love-note-Lou-to-Ann-scaled.jpg?resize=199%2C300&amp;ssl=1 199w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Love-note-Lou-to-Ann-scaled.jpg?resize=681%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 681w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Love-note-Lou-to-Ann-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C1155&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Love-note-Lou-to-Ann-scaled.jpg?resize=1021%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1021w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Love-note-Lou-to-Ann-scaled.jpg?resize=1362%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1362w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7685" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Love note from Lou to Ann Bovis. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p><em data-wp-editing="1">“Good Morning Dear, </em></p>
<p><em>Hope you feel better this morning. Am real tired. Feet hurt.</em><br /><em>Yep! I still adore you even at this hour of the morning. 3:30 a.m.</em><br /><em>Please get this to the bank early. See you later.</em></p>
<p><em>Love &amp; Kisses x x x x x x x x x x x x”</em></p>
<div id="attachment_7706" style="width: 2134px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7706" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7706" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/In-1941.jpg?resize=1000%2C710&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="710" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/In-1941.jpg?w=2124&amp;ssl=1 2124w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/In-1941.jpg?resize=300%2C213&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/In-1941.jpg?resize=1024%2C727&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/In-1941.jpg?resize=768%2C545&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/In-1941.jpg?resize=1536%2C1091&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/In-1941.jpg?resize=2048%2C1454&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7706" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Postcard from 1941, Louann&#8217;s starts their expansion. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>On busy nights, when Lou needed Ann’s help at the club, the children would be put to sleep in the apartment upstairs which had two bedrooms, a living room, a bath, and an office. The apartment was accessed from inside the club – just up a flight of stairs near the bar, and Lou, Ann, or the head-waitress, Nonnie Gardner, would take turns checking on them. Then, when the evening was over, Lou and Ann would carry the children out to the car and drive the short trip home so that they would all awake in their own beds in the morning.</p>
<div id="attachment_7683" style="width: 1704px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7683" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7683 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Louanns-land-purchase-15261-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C1511&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1511" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Louanns-land-purchase-15261-scaled.jpg?w=1694&amp;ssl=1 1694w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Louanns-land-purchase-15261-scaled.jpg?resize=199%2C300&amp;ssl=1 199w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Louanns-land-purchase-15261-scaled.jpg?resize=678%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 678w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Louanns-land-purchase-15261-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C1161&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Louanns-land-purchase-15261-scaled.jpg?resize=1016%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1016w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Louanns-land-purchase-15261-scaled.jpg?resize=1355%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1355w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7683" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Louanns land purchase $15,261 from Mattie Caruth Byrd. It might be worth a pinch more these days. Courtesy Dallas Historical Society</em></p></div>
<p>In the early years, Louann’s advertised only sparingly in local newspapers relying heavily on word of mouth. But the ads that did run were always unique and stood out from the others in size, appearance, or content. One September 1941 ad was entirely in shorthand. Other ads would be in reverse type with the background in black and the type in white. Lou and Ann also used graphics such as a moon and stars to emphasize dancing outdoors. And they advertised “Our specialty FRIED CHICKEN. We raise our own.” An ad for a Gene Krupa engagement specified that advance tickets were on sale at The Record Shop at 1304 Main. And, that Louann’s had “an acre of tables.”</p>
<div id="attachment_7692" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7692" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7692" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Dancing-under-the-stars-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C673&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="673" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Dancing-under-the-stars-1-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Dancing-under-the-stars-1-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C202&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Dancing-under-the-stars-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C689&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Dancing-under-the-stars-1-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C517&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Dancing-under-the-stars-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1033&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Dancing-under-the-stars-1-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1377&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7692" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Dancing under the stars at Louann&#8217;s. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>Ken Foree first wrote their story entitled “On the Level” for The Dallas Morning News in March 1947, and it was picked up in part by newspapers across the country. Mail started arriving addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Louis Bovis, Dallas, Texas, c/o Maternity Row. Or, Mr. Lou Bovis, Proprietor of Housing Project “Maternity Row,” Dallas, Texas. Well-wishers and admirers from New York, Iowa, Alabama, California, and other states sent copies of their local newspapers which contained the story.</p>
<div id="attachment_7693" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7693" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7693" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Bovis-home-on-Maternity-Row-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C755&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="755" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Bovis-home-on-Maternity-Row-1-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Bovis-home-on-Maternity-Row-1-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C226&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Bovis-home-on-Maternity-Row-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C773&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Bovis-home-on-Maternity-Row-1-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C579&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Bovis-home-on-Maternity-Row-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1159&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Bovis-home-on-Maternity-Row-1-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1545&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Bovis-home-on-Maternity-Row-1-scaled.jpg?resize=370%2C278&amp;ssl=1 370w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7693" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lou Bovis on Maternity Row on the Bovis farm close to Abrams and NW Hwy. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>Then, in September 1947, Newsweek published its version along with two pictures – one of Lou and Ann in front of several of the houses under construction, and another on the enclosed porch of their home surrounded by a half-dozen mothers, all with babies. In the Business section of that issue, under a headline of “Housing” appeared the following article:</p>
<p><em>Children Essential</em></p>
<p><em>In 1942, Louis Bovis’ only daughter died of cancer. In 1944, two nieces who were living with him during the war were killed in a fire. Physicians told Bovis, a 53-year-old Dallas night-club owner, and his second wife, Ann, that they never would have children. But last week on 18 acres of land owned by Bovis 6 miles northeast of downtown Dallas, diapers by the score were hanging on the line. Lou Bovis was owner and guiding spirit of a unique housing development.</em></p>
<p><em>Early in 1946, when Bovis, his wife, and two adopted babies were living in one of two houses on his land, David Anderson, a war veteran, sought to rent the other house. He explained that other landlords had balked at the two Anderson children. Anderson got the house for $40 a month, and Bovis got a new idea in the bargain.</em></p>
<p><em>Bovis divided his property into half-acre tracts, and laid plans to build low-priced houses. No man to mince words, he christened the development Pregnant Valley and called its main street Maternity Row. Houses would rent for $50 a month at most. For potential applicants there would be just two mandatory qualifications: The husband must be a war veteran, and there must be children. Only if a couple were newly married would Bovis make an exception. If the newlyweds failed to produce, out they went.</em></p>
<p><em>By last week, Pregnant Valley was housing ten ex-GI families with diapers on the line behind each home. There were six frame houses renting for $40 a month and two duplexes with each apartment renting at $50. Bovis planned to build fourteen more houses plus a pool and playground when construction costs let up.</em></p>
<p><em>Bovis had originally expected to adopt a third child. But last week, Mrs. Bovis smilingly told reporters it wouldn’t be necessary. She is making her contribution to Maternity Row in September.</em></p>
<p>Indeed, barely a week after Lou’s 54th birthday, Ann gave birth to their first child Philip Charles Bovis on September 7, 1947. She was 37 years old. The next morning a picture of the happy parents and their baby appeared as front page local news. Lou’s shirt pockets were crammed with cigars. The caption referred to their son as “the new heir.” Paul Crume reported</p>
<p><em>“Lou Proud Papa. A blue flag went up Sunday over Pregnant Valley, the subdivision for married GI’s established by . . . Lou Bovis, night club proprietor. . . . A blue flag in this subdivision means that a boy has been born. . . . Lou has been in the restaurant business around Dallas about as long as any man. The story of what the Bovises have done for young people with babies was first told in Ken Foree’s column. . . . It has recently been plastered over the pages of Newsweek.”</em></p>
<p>In 1949, Ann gave birth to a second son who was born premature and did not survive the day. They named him Joseph and he would have been the fourth of the five children Lou hoped for. But, in July of 1950, Ann discovered she was again pregnant. Maternity Row was officially named Anthony Lane after their adopted son Tony (today renamed Lovers Lane at its most northeastern end). All were blessed in their personal and business lives.</p>
<p>And the blessings and generosity continued. The Daily Times Herald in July 1949 shows a picture of a young couple described as “displaced persons” who had survived a Warsaw concentration camp. The man had been “for two years an organizer for the underground” before being arrested. Their immigration had been arranged through the National Catholic Welfare Conference. A portion of the article follows:</p>
<p><em>They now have their own home, a small apartment provided by their sponsors, Mr. and Mrs. Lou Bovis. To this young couple the most outstanding thing they have found in their new home is . . . “the freedom to go where you please and when.”</em></p>
<p><em>Giving two deserving youngsters a break has worked both ways for their delighted sponsors. Joseph, formerly a city dweller, easily learned to drive a tractor and farms Bovis’ 26 acres like a veteran. . . . And, Maria’s sunny nature and youthful pleasure in her new surroundings have captivated the Bovis children.</em></p>
<p><em>“We hope they will stay with us, of course,” observed Bovis. “But, if they want to get out on their own after a bit, we’ll help all we can.” So they’ll be able to do so, he took them downtown to open a savings account – a strange new process for two who remember only turmoil in which no institution, not even a bank, could be trusted.</em></p>
<p>Bovis studied German 35 years ago [at Columbia University in NY]. He is learning it again with Joe as his teacher. Mrs. Bovis’ parents were Polish and she spoke it as a child. She is learning the language again from Maria.</p>
<p>It is just one instance of the give-and-take which has made the addition of one Dallas family so successful. But it illustrates a simple maxim Bovis thinks more Americans should realize – that <em>“these people have just as much to give us as we have to give them.”</em></p>
<div id="attachment_7700" style="width: 1857px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7700" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7700" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Harry-James-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C1386&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1386" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Harry-James-scaled.jpg?w=1847&amp;ssl=1 1847w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Harry-James-scaled.jpg?resize=216%2C300&amp;ssl=1 216w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Harry-James-scaled.jpg?resize=739%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 739w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Harry-James-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C1064&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Harry-James-scaled.jpg?resize=1108%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1108w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Harry-James-scaled.jpg?resize=1478%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1478w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7700" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Harry James and his orchestra preformed several times at Louann&#8217;s. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>As is the case for many night spots, New Year’s Eve was typically the busiest night of the year at Louann’s. Lou devised a brilliant idea for taking reservations in advance and mapping them out on a large club blueprint to ensure that no table was sold more than once. Each area of the club was labeled and each table was numbered so there would be no confusion. (This same procedure was used for any night where an unusually large number of people were expected, but it was used for every successive New Year’s Eve in Louann’s history.) At least one person in the party would come by the club and make their table selection, pay the cover charge for at least two tickets in advance, and Lou would write their names in their chosen spot on his blueprint and block out enough seats for the entire party. He would then give them their purchased tickets for New Year’s Eve with the table location clearly marked on them. When patrons arrived that evening they would just point to their place on the blueprint or show their tickets, and then be ushered to the table or head in on their own.</p>
<p>Tent cards would be at the table to show it was “Reserved” and in whose name.</p>
<p>As might be expected, some patrons took advantage of the reserved cards to switch them to better tables once they arrived. But, the blueprint was always there to settle any discrepancies. In later years, in addition to the reserved card, the name of the party was written right on the tablecloth, which brought the card exchanges to a halt quickly. (Every table inside and out, reserved or not, was always covered with a tablecloth. And diners were always served with cloth napkins.)</p>
<p>In 1949, Lou and Ann hired their first big-name band – Woody Herman. In the twelve months that followed, Louann’s gained a reputation for drawing the biggest names in music. Gene Krupa played there to a packed house twice within 30 days. Jimmy Dorsey made his first appearance in Dallas since 1939 (at the Adolphus) when he entertained 1000 persons at Louann’s in May 1950.</p>
<div id="attachment_7504" style="width: 511px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7504" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7504" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954-1.jpg?resize=501%2C616&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="501" height="616" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954-1.jpg?w=501&amp;ssl=1 501w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954-1.jpg?resize=244%2C300&amp;ssl=1 244w" sizes="(max-width: 501px) 100vw, 501px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7504" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ray Anthony at Louann&#8217;s 1954. Courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div>
<p>Other bookings included Les Brown, Ralph Flanagan, Vaughn Monroe, Ray Anthony, Stan Kenton, Artie Shaw, Skitch Henderson, Tommy Dorsey, and Woody Herman again. Fairfax Nisbet reported in her column that</p>
<p><em>“Louann’s continued its policy started in 1949 of bringing name bands, setting a pace as the only spot in town to do this on a sustained [basis]. . . . This policy will continue in 1951.”</em></p>
<p>And it did, including repeat performances by many of the above named bands along with Harry James on numerous occasions, Lawrence Welk, Clyde McCoy and his SugarBlues Band, Glenn Miller, and Les Elgart.</p>
<p>In the ’50s when Harry James played the club, he brought along his wife Betty Grable. Instead of a downtown hotel, they opted to stay at the residence with the Bovis family.</p>
<div id="attachment_4139" style="width: 778px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4139" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4139 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Harry-James-Betty-Grable-with-daughters-Victoria-and-Jessica.-768x614-1-1.jpg?resize=768%2C614&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="768" height="614" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Harry-James-Betty-Grable-with-daughters-Victoria-and-Jessica.-768x614-1-1.jpg?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Harry-James-Betty-Grable-with-daughters-Victoria-and-Jessica.-768x614-1-1.jpg?resize=300%2C240&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px" /><p id="caption-attachment-4139" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Harry James, his wife Betty Grable and daughters. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>But, live entertainment was not the only draw – patrons just wanted to dance. For its first ten years, while most other clubs incurred the added expense of local and name bands and the advertising that went with them, Louann’s provided mostly recorded music for dancing. As a result, Lou and Ann had acquired a huge number of 78 rpm records and their “Record Bar” gained in popularity as the collection increased. The Record Bar was an actual room built between the indoor and outdoor dance floors and had windows facing each. Customers could make requests for 10¢ a song. In later years, customers would frequently ask for a particular song and have it dedicated for 25¢. A spouse or a boy or girlfriend might dedicate a love song, while members of a winning football team would request “It Only Hurts for a Little While” (or something similar) for its losing opponent. Then, the losing team would dedicate one back and the college or high school rivalry would continue long after the actual game was over.</p>
<p>On October 16, 1950, The Dallas Morning News reported on many interesting topics including: the State Fair Calendar for that day which was “Negro Day,” the Wake Island meeting between President Truman and General MacArthur to discuss post-war Korean policy, and Governor Dewey’s support of Ike for President in 1952. A front page column, Last 24 Hours in Dallas, briefly covered the Oklahoma-Texas football game which had taken place the day before and had broken all Fair attendance records. One downside was that a number of fans had been sold counterfeit tickets (at $100 per four) and had not been allowed into the stadium. The final announcement was the death of Lou Bovis who had died of a heart attack the day before.</p>
<div id="attachment_7725" style="width: 316px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7725" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7725" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Oct-16-1950.jpg?resize=306%2C577&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="306" height="577" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Oct-16-1950.jpg?w=306&amp;ssl=1 306w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Oct-16-1950.jpg?resize=159%2C300&amp;ssl=1 159w" sizes="(max-width: 306px) 100vw, 306px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7725" class="wp-caption-text"><em>October 16, 1950 Dallas Morning News recap of the passing of Lou Bovis. Courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div>
<p>The Dallas Morning News featured a picture of Lou with a headline reading <em>“Child-Loving Louis Bovis, Owner of Night Club, Dies.”</em> A lengthy obituary followed which summarized most of his accomplishments.</p>
<p>The Daily Times Herald had the same picture, underneath which appeared a shorter obituary. Here is a brief excerpt:</p>
<p><b>Tuesday Rites Set for Owner of Night Club</b></p>
<p><em>Mr. Bovis had been ill of a heart ailment for more than a year and had been hospitalized since September. He was the owner of Louann’s Night Club which he opened here in 1940 and named after himself and his wife, Ann. He first came to Dallas in 1936 and . . . opened the English Village at the Texas Centennial Exposition. Mr. Bovis was born in Philadelphia, Pa., and was reared in New York. He was a 32<sup>nd</sup> degree Mason and a Shriner. He was a member of Congregation Shearith Israel.” </em></p>
<p>On her following birthday March 21, 1951, Ann gave birth to another son. As was Jewish custom to name offspring in honor of deceased loved-ones, this son was christened Louis William Bovis after his father. Ann now had four children to raise, all aged six or younger. In addition, she had a night club and a home to run and tenants and rental property to manage. In the years that followed, she mastered it all.</p>
<p>Throughout Louann’s existence, patrons brought in their own hard liquor, usually in brown paper bags. They would purchase mixers and ice at the club. In addition, Louann’s served a variety of beers, wines, and soft drinks. To stay in favor with the Liquor Control Board, Ann would police folks as they entered the club and ask for proof of age if they were bringing in alcohol and appeared to be under 21 years old. Frequently, people would have to leave a bottle at the ticket counter or return it to their car before they could gain admission. In an attempt to circumvent the rules, it was not unusual to find customers frequently going and coming from the club to the parking lot to obtain small amounts of liquor in paper cups. The bolder ones would even go back out to the parking lot and retrieve their bottle and pass it over a fence to a friend inside. Girls would try to sneak in a bottle in an oversized purse or hide it under their clothing. Ann knew all their tricks. Even so, sometimes they succeeded in getting a bottle past the door, only to later have their waitress remove the alcohol for safe keeping until the patrons were ready to leave for the evening.</p>
<p>Ann rarely allowed a customer to come in “stag,” that is, without a date. Her experience had been that a single man asking another fellow’s date to dance could result in an altercation. An exception was made if the single person was joining a larger party of people. Otherwise, the man would be asked to sit at the bar or on the “mezzanine” to enjoy a drink or a meal, and to watch all the action. He would not be charged admission and did not seem to mind the arrangement.</p>
<p>The mezzanine was actually the best location in the club for people-watching since it provided an unobstructed view of the stage and the dancers while remaining distant from the actual hustle and bustle of the crowd. The plush mezzanine – a beautifully decorated, raised area right off the main lobby – was set up with tables and soft leather chairs and banquettes. Pastel florescent lighting, installed on walls five feet from the floor, was directed toward the ceiling. A large indoor dance floor was just a few steps away, as was the bandstand. It was the place where Ann frequently seated her personal friends and other special guests: families of the band, members of the press, politicians and elected officials, Liquor Control Board and Police officers, etc. Of course, their cover charge would be waived and they were often treated to dinner. On Big Band nights, her children were also allowed to take their evening meal on the mezzanine and watch all the excitement. Usually, Ann would introduce the band leaders to the children who would, naturally, obtain autographed pictures.</p>
<div id="attachment_7730" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7730" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7730" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C725&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="725" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C218&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C743&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C557&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1114&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1486&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7730" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lawrence Welk and his orchestra with a personal note to the author of this chapter of our Louann&#8217;s saga, Chelle Bovis. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p><em>The club’s headliners were the big country acts of the time, like Ray Price. Strangely, the biggest act in Louann’s history was Lawrence Welk’s polka orchestra, which drew over six thousand people&#8230; </em></p>
<p>Michael Nesmith, excerpt from INFINITE TUESDAY: AN AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL RIFF Copyright © 2017 </p>
<p>While there was no written dress code for Louann’s patrons, Ann did have certain expectations of her customers and somehow they knew what those were. Typically, men wore suits or coats and ties (sometimes military uniforms) and always removed their hats once inside. Women wore dresses (sometimes gowns) and heels. Of course, many a pair of high heels was left under the table when a couple got up to dance. In those days women always wore stockings, so it was not unusual to see a female patron who had danced the night away have no “feet” left in her stockings at the end of the evening.</p>
<p>For years the Shriners held frequent bingo parties at Louann’s on week nights and the club would be closed to regular patrons for lack of space. There was no need for music, but there was plenty of eating before the games and drinking during them. Ann’s children also enjoyed playing bingo even though they were not allowed to “win” anything. Behind the front bar and adjacent to the club’s main kitchen, was a private dining and sitting area (called the Hibernian Room) mostly used by the family. It was here that the children took their evening meals, watched TV, did their homework, or listened to the numbers called during the bingo games.</p>
<p>During the summers, Ann would take the kids on vacation. Frequently, it would be a road trip to Galveston where the clan would take a suite of rooms at the Jack Tar Village right across from the Gulf of Mexico. There they would stay and swim, play, and eat for a week. Since Ann loved to fish, they would often drive from Galveston to Port Aransas and stay at the antiquated Tarpon Inn and go deep-sea fishing for days on end. While the family was out of town, Ann would “loan” her grand home with its well-stocked refrigerators and library, swimming pool, sundeck, riding stables, etc. to the nuns of Ursuline Academy (which Chelle attended). They were assured total privacy and always had a blast!</p>
<p>Ann put all her children on the payroll once they reached an age where they could help out on weekends, however slightly. She felt it was important that they understood the value of money and how hard it was to earn. For example, during cold weather, Chelle would work in the coat room checking in men’s and women’s coats and hats. Tony would take tickets at the “door” and show people to their tables. Philip would help keep the bars stocked with cold drinks and ice. Louis would often literally get into the act by playing his trombone or baritone with the band. He loved to strut his stuff to “When the Saints Go Marching In” even though his musical instrument was almost as big as he was!</p>
<div id="attachment_7734" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7734" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7734" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Anns-youngest-brother-Charlie-behind-the-bar-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C715&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="715" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Anns-youngest-brother-Charlie-behind-the-bar-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Anns-youngest-brother-Charlie-behind-the-bar-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C214&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Anns-youngest-brother-Charlie-behind-the-bar-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C732&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Anns-youngest-brother-Charlie-behind-the-bar-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C549&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Anns-youngest-brother-Charlie-behind-the-bar-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1098&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Anns-youngest-brother-Charlie-behind-the-bar-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1464&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7734" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ann&#8217;s youngest brother, Charlie Martinkus, behind the bar. Courtesy the Martinkus Family</em></p></div>
<p>In addition to the children, many other family members were involved. Ann’s brother Charlie (who later retired from the aerospace industry) and his wife Gloria operated their own side business within the club for many years. They were the official photographers of the patron’s snapshots. Charlie had a dark room right behind the Record Bar where he would develop the pictures. While he was doing that, Gloria would go from table to table asking customers if they wanted their handwriting analyzed or their fortune told. They were an eccentric but much-loved couple.</p>
<p>One of Lou’s nephews Jule later took over the job as photographer. Ann was paying for his college education at the University of North Texas, and he worked at the club to earn spending money. Jule ultimately became a master photographer and today owns his own studio – Bovis Photography.</p>
<p>Ann’s sister Stella and her husband Pete, who had previously owned a pizzeria in Chicago, came to Dallas to run the pizza kitchen that Ann had added onto the north side of the building in the ’50s. Ann gave them one of her rental houses to live in and it was their home for the rest of their lives.</p>
<p>The pizza kitchen was open days and nights and sold many a pizza “to go.” An almost daily customer was Lee Trevino who worked at Hardy’s driving range on the north side of Lovers Lane, an area known today as Old Town. (While he later went on to golfing fame in the PGA and the Senior PGA, in those days Lee barely had two nickels to rub together.) Pizza and burgers made in this kitchen were also purchased by club patrons since they naturally got hungry from all their dancing. Another favorite food item was the brisket which Ann cooked in the brick barbecue pits she built at the rear of the club.</p>
<div id="attachment_7738" style="width: 1485px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7738" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7738" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/5.-At-Louanns-in-the-50s.jpg?resize=1000%2C557&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="557" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/5.-At-Louanns-in-the-50s.jpg?w=1475&amp;ssl=1 1475w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/5.-At-Louanns-in-the-50s.jpg?resize=300%2C167&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/5.-At-Louanns-in-the-50s.jpg?resize=1024%2C570&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/5.-At-Louanns-in-the-50s.jpg?resize=768%2C427&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7738" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Philip at the head of the table, Tony to his left, Chelle in middle on right, with classmates and cousins enjoying Clyde McCoy who autographed the back of this picture in the ’50s. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>It was also in the 1950s that a promoter named Tony Davis approached Ann about using Louann’s on Sunday afternoons for dance matinees for black patrons. In addition to Sunday being her typical day of rest, Ann was at first apprehensive that she might lose some of her existing clientele, even though the two groups would not be in attendance at the same time. After some consideration, she went forward with the deal; and, as time went on, her concerns proved unwarranted. Mr. Davis role was to hire the bands, do the advertising, and sell the admission tickets (proceeds which he kept). Ann provided the club (cleaned and set up after a Saturday night), the waitresses, and the bars (revenues which she kept). To accommodate some drinking changes that Mr. Davis suggested, she special ordered quantities of malt liquor and also milk, which his patrons drank with their bourbon. The matinees were a huge success. The patrons were always beautifully behaved and elegantly dressed especially during an occasional debutante party or wedding reception.</p>
<p>Louann’s was famous for its dance floors and by the ’50s there were three: two inside and one outside with a total seating capacity in excess of 2000. The original indoor dance area that Lou had built in 1940 now had pennants from all the colleges hanging from the rafters, and of course was air-conditioned. The wooden floor had been re-surfaced but otherwise had changed little. The original outdoor dance floor that Lou had built in 1941 had been completely redone and the area was enlarged and totally enclosed. Additional restrooms and bars had been added. But, Ann’s pride and joy was the spacious outdoor “garden” with its beautiful terrazzo dance floor. It was fully landscaped and contained several marble statues. True romantics favored dancing in the garden even when it was raining or was cold outside. They would go up to the Record Bar and ask for the music to be turned on out there, and the attendant would just flip a couple of switches. Each of the three dance areas comfortably seated about 750 people and could be completely separated from each other via sliding doors. So on any given night there could be three different parties going on at the club, as was often the case in the mild-weather months.</p>
<div id="attachment_4309" style="width: 778px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4309" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4309 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/looking-north-1953-Louanns-behind-Meadows-768x370-1-1.jpg?resize=768%2C370&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="768" height="370" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/looking-north-1953-Louanns-behind-Meadows-768x370-1-1.jpg?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/looking-north-1953-Louanns-behind-Meadows-768x370-1-1.jpg?resize=300%2C145&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px" /><p id="caption-attachment-4309" class="wp-caption-text"><em>1950s view of Louanns. Lovers Lane is at the top of the page heading East. Greenville is at the bottom heading South. Courtesy, Squire Haskins Photography Collection, Special Collections, UTA Libraries.</em></p></div>
<div id="attachment_7742" style="width: 1774px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7742" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7742 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-Confirmation-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C1451&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1451" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-Confirmation-scaled.jpg?w=1764&amp;ssl=1 1764w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-Confirmation-scaled.jpg?resize=207%2C300&amp;ssl=1 207w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-Confirmation-scaled.jpg?resize=706%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 706w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-Confirmation-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C1115&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-Confirmation-scaled.jpg?resize=1058%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1058w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lawrence-Welk-Confirmation-scaled.jpg?resize=1411%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1411w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7742" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Contract for Lawrence Welk, 1956 at Louann&#8217;s. It was said that over 6,000 patrons flooded the club that day. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>For about half the year, the garden was used for the general public while a wedding reception or some other function took place in the center room. (On one occasion, Highland Park High School seniors had a chaperoned, all-night slumber party in this very room.) Or the garden and the air-conditioned center area might be used for the public while a high school reunion or other private party took place in the main “front” area. Or the front area might be closed and only the garden and the center room used. There was a great deal of flexibility. In the colder months, the center area and/or the front room were used, and there was always a fire roaring in the huge fireplace.</p>
<p>To facilitate three different groups at the same time was no small feat – each needed their own source of music, their own bar, and their own admission booth. To accomplish this, Ann had built a second entrance – the “garden” entrance – 150 feet or more to the east of the main one. Once in the garden lobby area (with its own coatroom), people would be directed through one of two arches. If they were with a private party, they would go to the left into the center room. If they were public customers, they would pay a cover charge and step to the right onto the huge outdoor dance area. There, tables were set up on three sides of the terrazzo floor with a covered bandstand adjacent to the building. A vast bar with cash registers in two separate areas was inside. The bar bins had to be constantly restocked to keep up with the sales of ice and mixers.</p>
<p>In 1960 the main “front” entrance was re-positioned and the ’50s front doors, lobby and coatroom were eliminated and replaced with landscaping and room for additional parking. The intent was to modernize the entire exterior. The new entrance had a huge, metallic overhang so that if people were waiting to get in, they could stay out of the elements. Just inside the front door was the relocated coatroom. At the far end of the lobby was the original long bar at which usually sat the “regulars” who were content with drinking beer and watching the constant parade of customers coming and going. Also, in the front lobby was a glass-enclosed showcase in which hung the jewelry which patrons had lost at the club. Frequently a missing earring would be claimed by just bringing in the matching one.</p>
<p>Behind the front bar, was a large kitchen which served tens of thousands of dinners over the years, including 1500 steak dinners for the IRS one Christmas. Adjacent to the bar was the ticket counter. After customers paid the cover charge, they would walk through the mezzanine and down some steps to the main dance floor, surrounded by long rows of tables. A large stage was at the south end of the dance floor and the great fireplace was at the north end. The Record Bar was located between the main and center dance areas.</p>
<p>All three areas could accommodate individual music sources. The elaborate sound system was versatile enough to allow for each room’s speakers to broadcast a different band and/or music from the Record Bar. So, there could be recorded music in one room, a mariachi band playing for a Mexican wedding party in another, a rock and roll group in the third or any combination of music imaginable.</p>
<div id="attachment_7747" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7747" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7747" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Endorsement-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C787&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="787" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Endorsement-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Endorsement-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C236&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Endorsement-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C806&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Endorsement-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C604&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Endorsement-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1209&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Endorsement-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1611&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7747" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ann Bovis selling tires and auto supplies! Out in front of Louann&#8217;s. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>The ’50s had ushered in Rock and Roll but that style of music became the norm for Louann’s in the ’60s. In his column Dallas After Dark, Tony Zoppi reported:</p>
<p><em>Louanns Changes with the Times</em></p>
<p><em>Things are booming at Louanns. Ann Bovis, who has operated the popular late spot on Greenville Ave. for the last 20 years, can credit her success to her ability to accept trends in entertainment and adjust to constant change.</em></p>
<p><em>When big bands were in swing, nobody booked more names than Mrs. Bovis. When outdoor dancing became the rage, she constructed the most beautiful outdoor floor in town. Now there is a demand for rock ‘n’ roll, and the Watusi has replaced the waltz. It took a bit of doing, but Ann Bovis accepted the inevitable. For the past two years, the sounds here have changed from hot to cool. . . .</em></p>
<div id="attachment_7453" style="width: 941px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7453" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7453" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Louanns-1965.jpg?resize=931%2C605&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="931" height="605" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Louanns-1965.jpg?w=931&amp;ssl=1 931w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Louanns-1965.jpg?resize=300%2C195&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Louanns-1965.jpg?resize=768%2C499&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 931px) 100vw, 931px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7453" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Tony Zoppi&#8217;s &#8220;Dallas After Dark&#8221; circa 1965. Courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div>
<p>Another change was that customers now dressed more casually. Female patrons frequently wore mini-shirts and flat-soled shoes (as was the fashion), and men dressed more comfortably in shirt sleeves. Still, no one in shorts or jeans was allowed admission.</p>
<p>An important personal change for Ann was that her own children were now teen-agers. Never really enjoying the “noise” produced by Rock and Roll bands, she happily allowed them to audition the talent that would be hired at the club, feeling they were in a better position to know what the customers would appreciate. Saying “this is probably 1/100 of the R&amp;B and Rock and Roll groups that played Louanns,” her son Louis provided the following list of artists who were popular in the ’50s and ’60s:</p>
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<div id="attachment_7788" style="width: 731px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7788" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7788" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Jeff-Beck-Group-LuAnnes-Dallas-Tx-7-17-68.jpg?resize=721%2C648&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="721" height="648" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Jeff-Beck-Group-LuAnnes-Dallas-Tx-7-17-68.jpg?w=721&amp;ssl=1 721w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Jeff-Beck-Group-LuAnnes-Dallas-Tx-7-17-68.jpg?resize=300%2C270&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 721px) 100vw, 721px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7788" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Jeff Beck Group- Louann&#8217;s, Dallas, TX, 7-17-68. Courtesy Jeff Beck</em></p></div>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Johnny G &amp; The G Men</strong><br /><strong>Trini and Jesse Lopez</strong><br /><strong>The Floyd Dakil Four</strong><br /><strong>Kirby and Mike St. Romain</strong><br /><strong>Scotty McKay</strong><br /><strong>Roosevelt Wardell</strong><br /><strong>The Esquires</strong><br /><strong>Southwest FOB</strong><br /><strong>Jon and Robin &amp; The In Crowd</strong><br /><strong>The Jackals</strong><br /><strong>The Chessmen</strong><br /><strong>The Bricks</strong><br /><strong>U.S. Mail Bag</strong><br /><strong>The Novas</strong><br /><strong>The Mystics</strong><br /><strong>Kenny &amp; The Casuals</strong><br /><strong>Ray Sharpe</strong><br /><strong>The Bridge</strong><br /><strong>Frontier Shepard</strong><br /><strong>Mouse &amp; The Traps</strong><br /><strong>Kenny Rogers &amp; The Five Americans</strong><br /><strong>Freddy King</strong><br /><strong>NTSU Lab Band</strong><br /><strong>Little Willie John</strong><br /><strong>The Chapparals</strong><br /><strong>Aretha Franklin</strong><br /><strong>Red Fox</strong><br /><strong>Ike and Tina Turner</strong><br /><strong>The Drifters</strong><br /><strong>Jimmy Reed</strong><br /><strong>The Impressions</strong><br /><strong>Bobby Bland</strong><br /><strong>The Turtles</strong><br /><strong>Jeff Beck &amp; Rod Stewart</strong><br /><strong>Jimmy Smith</strong><br /><strong>Paul Revere &amp; The Raiders</strong><br /><strong>Mitch Ryder &amp; The Detroit Wheels</strong><br /><strong>Rocky and Dusty Hill (Lady Wylde and the Warlocks, later ZZ Top)</strong><br /><strong>Wooden Nickel</strong><br /><strong>The Yardbirds</strong><br /><strong>Mario Daboub &amp; The Nightcaps</strong><br /><strong>The Marksmen</strong><br /><strong>Joe Turner</strong><br /><strong>Johnny Green &amp; The Green Men (dyed green hair)</strong><br /><strong>The Ray Charles Orchestra</strong><br /><strong>Nino Temple and April Stevens</strong><br /><strong>Boz Scaggs</strong><br /><strong>The Fugitives</strong></p>
<p>In the ’60s, the children were an integral part of the weekend operations of the club. They ran the Record Bar, sold admission tickets, worked behind the bars, in one of the kitchens or wherever Ann needed help. Philip engineered the strobe lighting and other special effects which delighted the dancers.</p>
<p>Occasionally the children would invite their Ursuline, Jesuit, or Christ the King classmates to parties there. And, frequently those schools would use Louann’s free for a fund-raising event. Ann also hosted the schools’ “Annual Signing” bashes at the end of the academic year when all the students came together to sign each other’s yearbooks. In these ways, Ann could keep abreast of her children’s activities and friends.</p>
<p>One unusual use of Louann’s on Sundays in the late ’60s was the popular “flea market,” where vendors would set up tables to sell their wares. Individuals would pay Ann a flat fee for the table(s), and all the proceeds of their sales would be theirs. These events took place several Sundays a month and the club would always be packed.</p>
<div id="attachment_7752" style="width: 836px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7752" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7752 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/ann-in-her-office-1958.jpg?resize=826%2C813&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="826" height="813" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/ann-in-her-office-1958.jpg?w=826&amp;ssl=1 826w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/ann-in-her-office-1958.jpg?resize=300%2C295&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/ann-in-her-office-1958.jpg?resize=768%2C756&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 826px) 100vw, 826px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7752" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ann Bovis in her office. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>On Sunday, February 1, 1970, the Dallas Times Herald reported the following:</p>
<p><em>New Beat at Louann’s as Ann Bovis Era Ends</em></p>
<p><em>“Ralph Marterie was the last swing band we booked. It was in 1958. And, out of a capacity of 2000, only 248 people attended.”</em></p>
<p><em>The person speaking was Ann Bovis, owner and manager of Louann’s, which for three decades has been the heart of the Dallas night scene for many people. . . . Reminiscing about Louann’s 30-year reign of popular night clubs in Dallas, Mrs. Bovis continued, “During the ‘big band’ era we had all the big ones – Harry James, Glenn Miller and the Modernaires, Gene Krupa, Stan Kenton, Woody Herman and his seven-piece combo, Tex Beneke, and many others.</em></p>
<p><em>“On Jan. 2, 1956, for one performance,” Mrs. Bovis smiled, “we brought in Lawrence Welk and his 21-piece band and two vocalists for $2,000. They played from 8:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m. and the place was packed. . . . Can you imagine what it would cost to book Lawrence Welk now?” . . .</em></p>
<p><em>“Ever since my husband and I opened Louann’s,” Mrs. Bovis added with pride, “we’ve changed it about every seven years. The last time was in 1960, and now a new crop of youngsters are looking for a place to go. So, I’m happy to be able to change the club along with them.”</em></p>
<p><em>However, Mrs. Bovis won’t be taking an active role in the club’s new phase, saying with an eye to the future, “I’m going to go live on my ranch and take it easy for a while.”</em></p>
<div id="attachment_7754" style="width: 1870px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7754" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7754" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Retirement-Congrats-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C1376&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1376" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Retirement-Congrats-scaled.jpg?w=1860&amp;ssl=1 1860w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Retirement-Congrats-scaled.jpg?resize=218%2C300&amp;ssl=1 218w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Retirement-Congrats-scaled.jpg?resize=744%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 744w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Retirement-Congrats-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C1057&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Retirement-Congrats-scaled.jpg?resize=1116%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1116w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Retirement-Congrats-scaled.jpg?resize=1488%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1488w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7754" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ed Maher congrats to Ann Bovis on her retirement. Courtesy the Bovis Family</em></p></div>
<p>And so it was that in 1970, as her 60th birthday approached, Ann retired and moved to the peace of her country ranch. She retained ownership of the Louann’s land through a long-term lease to Lincoln Property Corporation which had recently begun developing “Old Town” on the north side of Lovers Lane. The buildings were sold to Larry Lavine, a former night club competitor; but the landmark building suffered a devastating fire in April Fool&#8217;s Day 1971. In the decades that followed, the property became home to a variety of tenants including the once highest grossing club for liquor sales in Dallas (Confetti’s), male and female strip joints, liquor stores, restaurants and bars. Over the years it became a true eyesore until, in 2000, the buildings were leveled to make way for the new Central Market. Today the upscale supermarket stands in almost the same spot where Louann’s had been in its heyday.</p>
<p>But the memories of Louann’s were far from gone. In February 1977, the cover of D Magazine heralded</p>
<p><em>“Dancing’s Back in Town! Remember Louann’s, The Jitterbug, Harry James, and The Junior Prom?”</em></p>
<p>Touch-dancing had come back into vogue, and the article inside contained an extensive interview with Ann<em>.</em></p>
<div id="attachment_7758" style="width: 1966px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7758" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7758" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/D-Mag-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C1309&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1309" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/D-Mag-scaled.jpg?w=1956&amp;ssl=1 1956w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/D-Mag-scaled.jpg?resize=229%2C300&amp;ssl=1 229w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/D-Mag-scaled.jpg?resize=782%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 782w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/D-Mag-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C1005&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/D-Mag-scaled.jpg?resize=1174%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1174w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/D-Mag-scaled.jpg?resize=1565%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1565w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7758" class="wp-caption-text"><em>D Magazine profiles Ann and Louann&#8217;s, courtesy D Magazine</em></p></div>
<p>Following are some of her memories:</p>
<p><em>Remembering Louann’s</em></p>
<p><em>In 1939, the twist was something that happened to a pretzel or a lemon peel. . . . And that was the year that Lou and Ann Bovis opened an unpretentious drive-in restaurant at an out-of-the way North Dallas intersection. The intersection, Greenville at Lovers Lane, was later to become the southeast corner of the civilized world. . . . Louann’s was to serve for 30 years as the hub of the Dallas dancing scene. . . .</em></p>
<p><em>“. . . we had an elaborate 110 speaker sound system installed by RCA for $10,000. They were so excited by such a big sale that they threw in a free TV set, but it wasn’t much good because there was no TV station here until eight years later. By that time the set wore out from people fiddling with it.”</em></p>
<p><em>Ann Bovis remembers fondly the troops of young couples who made Louann’s their courting spot. “Mothers and fathers would call here all the time and ask me to go out and look to see if their son or daughter was here, without it being obvious. . . . A lot of the 16-year old girls couldn’t even get permission to date unless the boy agreed to take them to Louann’s.”</em></p>
<p><em>Ann Bovis’ recollections of Louann’s span 30 years of touch dancing in Dallas. . . “The best behaved group of all,” Ann says, “was the Aggies of Texas A&amp;M. . . .They were regular gentlemen.</em></p>
<p><em>“Highland Park High School kids had a graduation party there in the early Sixties and tore the place up. Fortunately, the principal called a special assembly in the school auditorium and told them that they couldn’t graduate until they paid for fixing Louann’s back like it was.”</em></p>
<p><em>But the roughest kids, Ann recalls, were the Lakewood Rats. No second place. “This was a gang of kids during the Forties and Fifties from Woodrow Wilson High School. It finally got so bad that Lou had to bar them. One of them is a millionaire now, and when they had the Woodrow Wilson homecoming in 1969, his cronies had an elaborate certificate printed up for me to sign giving him special permission to come in for just that one night.</em></p>
<p><em>The biggest spenders, according to Ann, were the students from Oklahoma University. But only if they beat Texas. “They would park their cars out here and take buses to the Cotton Bowl. If they won, we were in for the biggest night of the year.”</em></p>
<p><em>Other remembrances include:</em></p>
<p><em>The most popular songs. “I would say that the all-time favorites were ‘Perfidia,’ ‘Chantanooga Choo-Choo,’ ‘The Beer Barrel Polka,’ and ‘Celery Stalks at Midnight’.”</em></p>
<p><em>The most unpopular song. Goodnight Sweetheart. “This was the song that Lou played every night . . . to let people know it was closing time. It finally wore out and we had to switch to ‘Dream’.”</em><br /><em>The most popular dance. “The one that people had the most fun with was the Bunny Hop that Ralph Flanagan would play when he was in. They’d line up and dance all the way out into the garden, past the liquor store and back in the front door.”</em></p>
<p><em>The best decision. “Erik Jonsson had a big party out here for the Texas Instruments people in the early Fifties. And when he showed off one of those new-fangled transistor radios, I decided to buy some stock in the company. . . .”</em></p>
<p>In 1988, Kirk Dooley wrote his book, Hidden Dallas, and had this to say:</p>
<p><em>Thousands of Greenville Avenue funseekers frequent the area every night, but few people realize what brought about that pendulum swing making Greenville Avenue the top attraction in the city. Actually it was the effort of two people, Lou and Ann Bovis, back before WWII.</em></p>
<p><em>The Bovises had a popular nightclub located practically out in the country . . . which featured dancing to the Big Band sound – the most popular music of postwar America. . . .Louann’s personified the best face Dallas had to offer in the ’50s. Where there are now hundreds of choices for dancing in Dallas, back then there was, in many people’s opinion, just one. Louann’s.</em></p>
<p><em>Although it is amazing to think that one club could create a path that hundreds of clubs, millions of customers and billions of dollars have followed, such is the case with Louann’s. There wasn’t anything like Louann’s during the war years, or post war years, which survived the end of the Big Band Era, and there has never been anything like it in Dallas since. The legacy Louann’s left behind is the nightlife which followed its lead along thriving Greenville Avenue each night, every year since.</em></p>
<p>On May 14, 1993, Ann Bovis died quite suddenly of a cerebral hemorrhage (following a stroke) in a hospital north of her ranch with her four children at her bedside. But, still the legacy continued. Unaware of Ann’s death the week before, the East Dallas/Lakewood Advocate published this article in their The Way We Were column:</p>
<p><em>Saturday Night Fever at Louann’s</em></p>
<p><em>As neighborhood seniors prepare for graduation, plan parties and sign yearbooks reflecting high school memories, a graduate of Woodrow Wilson High School recalls the favorite hangout for the class of ’44.</em></p>
<div id="attachment_7764" style="width: 523px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7764" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7764 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Woodrow-WIlson-class-of-1943.jpg?resize=513%2C383&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="513" height="383" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Woodrow-WIlson-class-of-1943.jpg?w=513&amp;ssl=1 513w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Woodrow-WIlson-class-of-1943.jpg?resize=300%2C224&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 513px) 100vw, 513px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7764" class="wp-caption-text"><em>DMN clipping for 25 year reunion at Louann&#8217;s for the class of 1943. Courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div>
<p><em>“Just about everyone from Woodrow went to Louann’s to dance,” says Ernest “Carl” Brandt, a resident of East Dallas since 1927. “For 50 cents, we could get in and dance until 1a.m. That was on Saturday nights, of course.</em></p>
<p><em>“There were two huge dance floors – one inside and one outside. We danced to records mostly, and for 10 cents, we could make a special request at the window of the record room. There was a lady there who was in charge of the record library that contained hundreds of 78 rpm records. We could go up to the window, yell to her what song we wanted, and give her a dime to play the selection. . . .”</em></p>
<p><em>Brandt says some of the most popular songs of the time were Glenn Miller’s “In the Mood,” “Tuxedo Junction,” and “Pennsylvania Six Five Thousand,” Artie Shaw’s “Begin the Beguine,” Woody Herman’s “Woodchopper’s Ball,” and Tommy Dorsey’s “Boogie Woogie.”</em></p>
<p><em>“Occasionally, big name bands would perform in person. I saw Gene Krupa and Tommy Dorsey play there,” he says. </em></p>
<p>Carl Brandt was what you might term a “rabid fan” of the club. He was also one of the infamous “Lakewood Rats,” a graduate of Woodrow Wilson, and a self-proclaimed “Louann’s grad.” He wrote Ann after she retired and tried to visit her at her ranch to discuss old times. He would mail her pictures taken at the club and reminisce about “those WONDERFUL YEARS so long ago. Every time we pass the Lovers Lane/Greenville intersection, I mention something like ‘Well, there’s where it all took place’.”</p>
<p>In June 1993, Bob St. John dedicated his entire column to the memory of Louann’s. A portion follows:</p>
<p><em>Ah, to be young and at Louanns</em></p>
<p><em>Like so many Dallasites, I have fond memories of those youthful summer nights when we’d sit and talk and dance as if time would never end in that gigantic outside garden area at Louanns. Oh, the club was air-conditioned inside, but it never seemed that hot out there in those days. . . .</em></p>
<p><em>Local schools and businesses would have parties there and, if entertainment wasn’t booked, you could dance to the music of about 10,000 records, sometimes played by a young DJ named Ron Chapman.</em></p>
<p><em>Louanns left a nice afterglow for so many of us and the memories came back when I heard that Ann, 83, had died recently. There was no fanfare and little notice of her passing, and she probably would have preferred it that way. She sought no publicity for herself but only for the club she opened with her husband, Lou, in 1939.</em></p>
<p>Some months later, KERA began encouraging people to come forth with their memories and pictures of Dallas from the 1930s to the 1960s. The result was a 60-minute public television special entitled “Remember When,” produced by KERA in 1994. One segment of the film featured night life during those years. Emphasizing that Dallas was segregated in the ’30s and ’40s, it opened with a piece on the Rose Room (formerly the Empire Room) which was a favorite club for African Americans. From the Rose Room on Hall Street, the film moved up north to Louann’s. As various Louann’s memorabilia flashed across the screen, Ray Wylie Hubbard narrated: “Another popular place in Dallas started as a drive-in soda fountain in a parking lot big enough for a plane to land on Lovers and Greenville in 1940. The owners were a couple named Lou and Ann.”</p>
<p>Interviews with former customers attested to the fun they had there as high school and college kids. They talked about drinking cokes and dancing the night away on the indoor and outdoor dance floors. Any woman who was named “Louann” could get in free and people could get in free on their birthdays</p>
<p>One former female patron described the experience as follows:</p>
<p><em>“It was a rite of passage, a part of growing up, and just somewhere you should be. It was almost like it was an important date if you went to Louann’s. I do remember the feelings when that music came on for the last dance with your boyfriend and the evening would be over and you didn’t really want it to ever be over.” KERA wound the segment down while playing “Goodnight Sweetheart.” </em></p>
<p>No other night clubs were featured.</p>
<p>As recently as February 1998, Louann’s received mention in Steve Blow’s column in The Dallas Morning News under the headline “Dallas in 1952: Now, that was the good life.” Tony Zoppi, who wrote a column called Dallas After Dark (in 1952 and for the next 13 years), was reminiscing to Steve about various night clubs and said:</p>
<p><em>“Here’s a popular one – Louann’s. It was on Greenville Avenue way out in the boondocks, surrounded by nothing but cotton patches.</em>”</p>
<p>Steve’s note:</p>
<p><em>“It was ‘way out’ at Greenville and Lovers Lane.”</em></p>
<p>Today the legacy continues in more subtle forms. One of them is at the Lovers Lane Dart rail station where there is a mural which memorializes Louann’s and other bygone spots along the Lane.</p>
<div id="attachment_7768" style="width: 525px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7768" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7768 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/mural-by-Chelle.jpg?resize=515%2C409&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="515" height="409" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/mural-by-Chelle.jpg?w=515&amp;ssl=1 515w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/mural-by-Chelle.jpg?resize=300%2C238&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 515px) 100vw, 515px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7768" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lover&#8217;s Lane mural by DART. Photo courtesy DART and Chelle Bovis</em></p></div>
<p>As times have changed many old Dallas landmarks have disappeared which makes their memories all the more precious to those whose lives intersected with them. New generations have different wants and needs; but, many old-timers and baby-boomers will always remember Louann’s as “the place” where they had the times of their lives.</p>
<p><em>Dream when you’re feeling blue</em><br /><em>Dream, that’s the thing to do</em><br /><em>Just watch the smoke rings rise in the air</em><br /><em>You’ll find your share of memories there</em> <em>So, dream when the day is thru</em><br /><em>Dream and they might come true</em><br /><em>Things never are as bad as they seem</em><br /><em>So dream, dream, dream</em></p>
<p><iframe title="The Pied Pipers - Dream" width="1000" height="563" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8eFk8fMM8wU?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>“Dream”, closing song from 1950 until 1970, replacing “Goodnight Sweetheart”</p>
<p>Thanks for the memories, Lou and Ann.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-7773" src="https://meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lou-and-Ann-taking-a-spin-3.tif" alt="" /></p>
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<div id="attachment_7777" style="width: 741px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7777" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7777" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/War3.jpg?resize=731%2C529&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="731" height="529" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/War3.jpg?w=731&amp;ssl=1 731w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/War3.jpg?resize=300%2C217&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 731px) 100vw, 731px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7777" class="wp-caption-text"><em>This is the final chapter in our 4 part Louann&#8217;s series. Hope you enjoyed it!</em><br /><em>Lou and Ann Bovis taking a final spin across the dance floor&#8230;</em></p></div>
<p>All thanks to Chelle Bovis Banks for putting this piece together!</p>
<p>Dream on&#8230;</p>
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<p>"My mother Ann Bovis put in a really big sound system from RCA that might have been when the club opened. That thing would blow you out. And because they had installed this really deluxe sound system, RCA gave them a free television. Of course, that didn't matter as there weren't any TV stations in Dallas. It was a conversational piece, that's all it was, Paul! It ended up just sitting back in a corner collecting dust." Tony Bovis</p>
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									<h1 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Louann&#8217;s &#8211; Part 1</strong></em></h1><h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>by Paul Heckmann, Executive Director, </em></strong></h4><h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em><a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/">Memories Inc.</a> A 501c3</em></strong></h4><p>Back at the time of the Texas Centennial in 1936, Lou Bovis was running the Falstaff Tavern in the English Village. When the event closed, he and his second wife Ann purchased both the English Village and The Globe Theater. The Globe was a replica of the same one where Shakespeare&#8217;s first plays were shown. He renamed it the English Village Music Hall where folks could come see live theatrical performances year round. Originally it had old wooden benches to replicate the Shakespearean days, but by 1939 those were long gone and tables and chairs replaced them to make it more of a theater-restaurant.</p><div id="attachment_3639" style="width: 643px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3639" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-3639 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Globe-Theater-1.jpg?resize=633%2C386&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="633" height="386" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Globe-Theater-1.jpg?w=633&amp;ssl=1 633w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Globe-Theater-1.jpg?resize=300%2C183&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Globe-Theater-1.jpg?resize=105%2C65&amp;ssl=1 105w" sizes="(max-width: 633px) 100vw, 633px" /><p id="caption-attachment-3639" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Globe Theater, postcard. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107. </em></p></div><p>There was a third partner, Anton &#8220;Marty&#8221; Martinkus, Ann&#8217;s brother. Career Army Cavalry man who served under then Major George Patton at Fort Sheridan. Marty joined the Bovis crew about the time of the Centennial. He went back into the Army in 1942 during WWII, serving in the Pacific including the beachhead assault at Leyte. He was discharged in 1945 and came directly back to work.</p><p>The English Village was quite the popular place hosting both celebrities like Bob Hope &#8211; and the Clemson/Boston College Cotton Bowl football teams. You never knew you might run into there.</p><p>He also brought in big dance bands like the Tone Poet, and Leonard Keller, which would set the stage for a much bigger future club, with much bigger bands.</p><p>By the mid-30s, they had outgrown it and wanted a place they could expand and grow the business. Longtime friend Mabel Caruth had some land &#8216;way out of town&#8217;, far up the &#8216;Richardson Pike&#8217;, and suggested they take a look-see. Lou and Ann fell in love with the area and staked out a claim at the corner of Lovers and Greenville, opening Louann&#8217;s in early 1940. It was a massive club sitting on a 5-acre plot with seating for some 3,600 and standing room for many more. </p><div id="attachment_4161" style="width: 778px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4161" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4161 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Louanns-thru-the-years-top-1939-middle-1941-bottom-1960-768x448-1.jpg?resize=768%2C448&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="768" height="448" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Louanns-thru-the-years-top-1939-middle-1941-bottom-1960-768x448-1.jpg?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Louanns-thru-the-years-top-1939-middle-1941-bottom-1960-768x448-1.jpg?resize=300%2C175&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px" /><p id="caption-attachment-4161" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Louann&#8217;s, this is about 1941 when they still had the drive-in out front. It would grow in later years to accommodate up to 6,000 folks</em></p></div><p>From the big band sounds of Harry James, Guy Lombardo or Lawrence Welk to the rock and roll of Jeff Beck or maybe Jimmy Vaughan and the Chessmen, it&#8217;s said that the ghosts of one of the biggest clubs Dallas has ever seen can still be heard around that corner&#8230;</p><p><strong><em>Tony Bovis</em></strong><br /><em>Tony is the eldest son of Lou and Ann Bovis</em></p><p>Paul: Tony, your dad sounds like an interesting guy &#8211; can you tell me a little about him?</p><div id="attachment_4325" style="width: 183px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4325" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4325 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Lou-173x300-1.jpg?resize=173%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="173" height="300" /><p id="caption-attachment-4325" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lou Bovis, courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div><p>Tony: He passed away two days before my 6th birthday, so I didn&#8217;t know him that well. I guess a lot of what I know about him came from my Mom. He did a lot of traveling in his job as an insurance salesman. He had dual citizenship in the US and England. Had a great love for all things England.</p><p>Dad ran a little English pub in the 1936 Texas Centennial there, right across the street from where the automobile building in the part that they called the English Village and the Falstaff Tavern.</p><div id="attachment_7395" style="width: 2570px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7395" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7395 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20190328_114851-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C827&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="827" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20190328_114851-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20190328_114851-scaled.jpg?resize=300%2C248&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20190328_114851-scaled.jpg?resize=1024%2C847&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20190328_114851-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C635&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20190328_114851-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1270&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/20190328_114851-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C1693&amp;ssl=1 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7395" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Falstaff Tavern Menu. Courtesy Dallas Historical Society</em></p></div><p>Paul: And your Mom, Ann?</p><p>Tony: She was a pilot at one time. Flew planes out of Mustang Airport which was a few miles up from Louann&#8217;s. Dad made her quit flying, said it was too dangerous.</p><p>She was pretty good mom. Really took good care of all of us. I think we all worked at Louann&#8217;s at one time or another and she could be pretty tough on us and the folks that worked there. She was big on saying &#8216;you have to please your customer, not do what you want to do.&#8217; So the bands had to play what the crowds wanted to hear, not what they felt like playing.</p><p>Paul: And your brothers and sisters?</p><p>Tony: I had two brothers, Lou Jr. and Phil. Lou was the musician, played the keyboards in bands. Phil was a carpenter, did a lot of work around the club. I also have a sister Chelle. We&#8217;re the last two of the kids.</p><div id="attachment_7397" style="width: 836px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7397" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7397 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/ann-in-her-office-1958.jpg?resize=826%2C813&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="826" height="813" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/ann-in-her-office-1958.jpg?w=826&amp;ssl=1 826w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/ann-in-her-office-1958.jpg?resize=300%2C295&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/ann-in-her-office-1958.jpg?resize=768%2C756&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 826px) 100vw, 826px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7397" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ann Bovis in her office. Photo courtesy Chelle Bovis Banks</em></p></div><p>Paul: What can you tell me about the creation of Louann&#8217;s?</p><p>Tony: It really grew out of the &#8220;English Village&#8221; and Dad&#8217;s wanting to expand. The crowd got so big there that he couldn&#8217;t get them all inside and there wasn&#8217;t enough room to grow. Big lines up front, it was a very popular place.  I think they sold it before they opened Louann&#8217;s in 1940.</p><p>He really wanted something in the wide open spaces where he could be forever. Dad&#8217;s idea of a neighbor was was that &#8216;you kinda knew which direction they were in but you couldn&#8217;t stand on your front porch and see them&#8217;.</p><p>I&#8217;m sure you remember Mabel Caruth from the Caruth Lumber company. She and her husband, Will, owned a lot of the property in the Lovers/Greenville area. The area where Northpark sits today also all belonged to the Caruth&#8217;s way back when. Mabel and Dad knew each other back then; I guess this would be the 1930&#8217;s. This would have been outside the city limits back then. I knew her pretty well because we bought Johnson grass hay from her for our horses.</p><div id="attachment_7398" style="width: 435px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7398" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7398 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/dt6i8.jpg?resize=425%2C207&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="425" height="207" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/dt6i8.jpg?w=425&amp;ssl=1 425w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/dt6i8.jpg?resize=300%2C146&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 425px) 100vw, 425px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7398" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Squire Haskins photo of Louann&#8217;s. The building is in the upper left, Greenville Ave is the road running across the photo, and Lovers Lane is just on the other side of the building. Courtesy UNT Portal to History</em></p></div><p>Anyway, Dad convinced her that to sell him the property where Louann&#8217;s was to be built, on Lovers, between Greenville and what would become Matilda. He bought all of it but a piece that Hedrick Oil owned. That was right on the Southeast corner of Lovers and Greenville where Hedrick would eventually put a Texaco station. Neither he nor Mom could ever convince Hedrick to sell them that bit of land.</p><p>We rode our horses where Northpark is today. There wasn&#8217;t anything there at that time, no construction there, just open field. We had bikes back then, but we always rode our horses. We also frequented a Cabell&#8217;s store where Lontos meets Abrams. I remember Mr. Cabell calling my mother and telling her that he was installing hitching posts on the side of the store so we could tie up our horses safely while we were in the store. Mr. Cabell was also Mayor of Dallas soon after that</p><p>Like most kids in that era, we picked up pop bottles and sold them for Cokes, peanuts, and candy at that store!</p><p>Paul: What was your first memory of Louann&#8217;s?</p><p>Tony: It was always there, as it opened a few years before I was born. My first memory would be playing around there when I was about 4 years old. You see, we had two residences: one would be upstairs part of Louann&#8217;s where there was an apartment that we lived in quite a bit. We also lived out on Anthony Lane which was named after me. It later became known as Pregnant Alley as you either had to be pregnant or had a bunch of kids.</p><p>Paul: Is Anthony Lane still around today?</p><p>Tony: No, when we were annexed by the City of Dallas, a lot of things changed. I can still remember we had to load up all our hogs and sell them. You couldn&#8217;t have horses or chickens either &#8211; we had all those and a lot more. This one fella had a farm on the corner of Lovers and Greenville, I remember he had a bunch of mules. He had to get rid of them too.</p><p>Paul: So this was essentially a farm. About how close was this to Louann&#8217;s?</p><p>Tony: Probably a mile or so. We were east of Louann&#8217;s, straight down Lovers Lane and across Skillman. We had a lot of that land.</p><p>Paul: And Louann&#8217;s itself was very close to the &#8216;new&#8217; Central Expressway. But before that, folks would travel up Greenville Ave.</p><p>Tony: Yep. You could see the traffic on Central right outside of our upstairs window. And back in the day, folks called Greenville Ave, &#8220;The Pike&#8221;, among other things. That was the way you went to Richardson.</p><p>Paul: So once the City of Dallas annexed the area where you lived and the Louann&#8217;s club, do you remember any changes to the way they did business?</p><p>Tony: This happened after the club opened. It didn&#8217;t really change much about the way the club was run.</p><p>Paul: And the building itself?</p><p>Tony: When we stayed at the club, we stayed at our upstairs apartment. That was where the offices were too. Also bar storage and the expensive supplies were up there.</p><p>Downstairs we had a big main dance floor, a music bar, three bandstands inside and one outside.</p><div id="attachment_4201" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4201" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4201 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/unknown-off-ebay-at-louanns-300x223-1.jpg?resize=300%2C223&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="223" /><p id="caption-attachment-4201" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Louann&#8217;s patrons, Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107. </em></p></div><p>Paul: What was the music bar?</p><p>Tony: That was where we played records. Anything from 78&#8217;s to LPs.</p><p>Paul: So you had the first &#8216;disco&#8217; in Dallas, probably Texas!</p><p>Tony: (laughs) I guess we did.</p><p>My mother put in a really big sound system from RCA that might have been when the club opened. That thing would blow you out. And because they had installed this really deluxe sound system, RCA gave them a free television. Of course, that didn&#8217;t matter as there weren&#8217;t any TV stations in Dallas. It was a conversational piece, that&#8217;s all it was, Paul! It ended up just sitting back in a corner collecting dust.</p><p>Paul: Right. Channel 5 came on the air in 1948.</p><p>Tony: I remember we would get copies of Billboard and find the latest tunes and order a copy. And we got all of our records at a little place on Lower Greenville called the &#8216;The Record Bar&#8217;. As I remember, it was on the left hand side past the Arcadia on Greenville Ave, it sat in a very small strip center. There weren&#8217;t a lot of record shops or even radio stations to get the latest music then so we kinda felt like we were on the cutting edge.</p><p>Paul: Tell me a bit about the structure itself, the pictures I have seen of Louann&#8217;s seemed to be of a big, cavernous place.</p><p>Tony: It was really, really big. The biggest crowd I remember was about 3,600 people. There might have been more but that was the biggest I remember.</p><p>Lawrence Welk came in and the place was standing room only. Not sure how many people were there but it seemed like everyone in Dallas.</p><p>When you walked into the entrance, there was one big dance floor and we had table setup up on both sides of the dance floor. And we built what we called the &#8216;Garden Room&#8217;, that was the second part of the building. Mom and dad kept adding on and adding on and adding on. That was still part of the inside of the club. And the third part was the outside dancing, &#8216;The Garden&#8217;. You can see that in the picture you sent me.</p><p>Paul: What kind of hours was Louann&#8217;s open?</p><p>Tony: We opened up about 4 in the afternoon and you could stay open until 12:15 during the week and 1:15 on Saturday. That was State law back then Paul.</p><p>Paul: What did you do in the club?</p><p>Tony: You know I grew up in the club so I did pretty much everything from stocking the bar to barback to cleaning. If it was a job in the club, I did it. If somebody didn&#8217;t show up, then you would have to cover for them, so us kids got to know pretty much all the jobs.</p><p>Paul: I know you saw a ton of bands there. Who was your favorite?</p><div id="attachment_4139" style="width: 778px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4139" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4139 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Harry-James-Betty-Grable-with-daughters-Victoria-and-Jessica.-768x614-1-1.jpg?resize=768%2C614&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="768" height="614" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Harry-James-Betty-Grable-with-daughters-Victoria-and-Jessica.-768x614-1-1.jpg?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Harry-James-Betty-Grable-with-daughters-Victoria-and-Jessica.-768x614-1-1.jpg?resize=300%2C240&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px" /><p id="caption-attachment-4139" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Harry James and his wife Betty Grable with daughters Victoria and Jessica. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107. </em></p></div><p>Tony: Harry James. Absolutely. Bar none.</p><p>Paul: Who were some of your Mom and Dad&#8217;s favorite bands there?</p><p>Tony: We had the Glenn Miller Orchestra, Perez Prado and Ralph Flanigan. There were a bunch of them. Mom really liked Prado. Perez did some of his big numbers like &#8220;Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White&#8221; and &#8220;Mambo #5&#8221;</p><div id="attachment_7434" style="width: 511px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7434" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7434 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954.jpg?resize=501%2C616&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="501" height="616" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954.jpg?w=501&amp;ssl=1 501w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954.jpg?resize=244%2C300&amp;ssl=1 244w" sizes="(max-width: 501px) 100vw, 501px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7434" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ray Anthony at Louann&#8217;s 1954. Courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div><p>We also had Les Brown and Woody Herman, they were a couple of bands mom loved. You&#8217;re going way back now!</p><p>I remember most of the bands would come in by train. There was a stop right about where Yale (SMU Blvd) and Central are today. Of course Central wasn&#8217;t built yet. The train ran about parallel to where it would be built. Anyway the bands would unload there and we would go pick them up.</p><p>Paul: It was such a big club, do you remember having problems up there with drinking of groups of troublemakers?</p><p>Tony: Oh the the Lakewood Rats were the worst of the bunch. One of the guys was permanently banned from the club, I can&#8217;t remember his name. But his HS had a reunion there and he had to go talk to my Mother and get a letter saying it was okay for him to come back in to attend the reunion.</p><p>My Uncle Marty Martinkus was the bouncer, that was my Mom&#8217;s brother. He was a tough guy, served in the US Calvary. He took care of things for us.</p><p>Paul: In doing research for this project, you started to see this trend of music at the club. The Big Band sound was going out while early rock and roll started to come into the scene.</p><p>Tony: I think things really changed when Elvis came on the scene. He changed the face of music for all of us.</p><div id="attachment_4298" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4298" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4298 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Chessmen-at-Louanns-1965-300x252-1-1.jpg?resize=300%2C252&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="252" /><p id="caption-attachment-4298" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Chessmen at Louann&#8217;s 1965. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.</em></p></div><p>Paul: Do you remember Kirby St. Romain?</p><p>Tony: Oh yea. He had the house band for my mom and also was with The Expressions. He played a lot of there in the early days.</p><p>The Chessman played up there all the time, that was back when Jimmy Vaughan was in the band. Stevie Ray would come up to visit and they would have him sit in with Jimmy. Nobody knew how good he was going to be but you could tell he had some talent.</p><div id="attachment_7441" style="width: 497px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7441" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7441" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Sunset-class-of-1954-a-group-from-Sunset-High-School-in-1955-for-a-New-Years-Eve-Party-at-Louanns.jpg?resize=487%2C391&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="487" height="391" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Sunset-class-of-1954-a-group-from-Sunset-High-School-in-1955-for-a-New-Years-Eve-Party-at-Louanns.jpg?w=487&amp;ssl=1 487w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Sunset-class-of-1954-a-group-from-Sunset-High-School-in-1955-for-a-New-Years-Eve-Party-at-Louanns.jpg?resize=300%2C241&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 487px) 100vw, 487px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7441" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Sunset class of 1954 &#8211; a group from Sunset High School in 1955 for a New Years Eve Party at Louanns. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.</em></p></div><p>The Four Gentlemen, Johnny Dee and the Green Men &#8211; we released them from their contract so they could go out to California. They did some gigs out there and even appeared on the Batman TV show as some of the Joker&#8217;s team, they were the bad guys.</p><p>Paul: What were some of the hot tunes that you remember folks asking for at Louanns?</p><p>Tony: &#8216;The Bunny Hop&#8217;, &#8216;Shaboom&#8217;, there were so many. Shaboom was my favorite.</p><p>Paul: Who were some of your favorite employees?</p><p>Tony: Nonnie Gardner, she was the head waitress. She was there when Dad opened the club until we sold it. She did the swap meets in the parking lot too that met on Sundays I think.</p><p>We had a cook there named Clara Crowder. She did all our cooking, matter of fact, she was the one that taught me to cook. She did all our family cooking.</p><p>Paul: I guess you remember the area starting to change a bit too.</p><div id="attachment_7448" style="width: 970px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7448" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7448 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/52363101_10162408502460643_6619226111366660096_n.jpg?resize=960%2C720&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="960" height="720" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/52363101_10162408502460643_6619226111366660096_n.jpg?w=960&amp;ssl=1 960w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/52363101_10162408502460643_6619226111366660096_n.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/52363101_10162408502460643_6619226111366660096_n.jpg?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/52363101_10162408502460643_6619226111366660096_n.jpg?resize=370%2C278&amp;ssl=1 370w" sizes="(max-width: 960px) 100vw, 960px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7448" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Hardy&#8217;s Golf Range, across the street from Louann&#8217;s at Greenville and Lovers Lane. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107. </em></p></div><p>Tony: Oh yes. I remember that cross the street from us, a few years after we opened, Mr Hardy opened up three different golf courses there, The &#8216;Pitch and Putt&#8217; was there on the NE corner of Lovers and Greenville, the driving range was next to that, then there was a horse stables and riding area &#8211; and I think the golf course just a bit down the road. Lee Trevino worked there later on, probably in the 60s. From what I remember Mr Hardy &#8216;discovered&#8217; him.</p><p>Paul: Do you remember why your Mom sold the business?</p><p>Tony: It was back when we were pretty sure that &#8216;liquor by the drink&#8217; was going to pass in Texas (which it did &#8211; April 1971), she decided that she didnt want to deal with all the new TABC regulations and put the club up for sale. Everything was BYOB before that most everywhere. We sold draft or bottle beer and wine but no mixed drinks.</p><p>Paul: And then your Mom sold the club to Larry Lavine.</p><p>Tony: Yes. We had to do a complete inventory when he bought it. That was a lot of work</p><p>Paul: So Louann&#8217;s is no longer with the Bovis family after 30 plus years. Curious what you did?</p><p>Tony: I decided to get in Law Enforcement. I spent 6 years in Dallas with the Dallas Police Department Reserve while I was still working at Louanns, then went to Pilot Point and Gainesville then did 16 years in Carrollton and 15 years with Denton County Sheriffs Department.</p><p>We also had a little ranch up in Pilot Point, about 300 acres and 300 head of cattle. Did a lot of work up there.</p><p>Paul: Tony, this is such a cool snapshot of Dallas nightclub history. Thanks so much.</p><div id="attachment_7453" style="width: 941px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7453" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7453 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Louanns-1965.jpg?resize=931%2C605&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="931" height="605" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Louanns-1965.jpg?w=931&amp;ssl=1 931w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Louanns-1965.jpg?resize=300%2C195&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Louanns-1965.jpg?resize=768%2C499&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 931px) 100vw, 931px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7453" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Tony Zoppi&#8217;s &#8220;Dallas After Dark&#8221;, 1965. Courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div><p><strong><em>Jack Mitchell</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Jack was the drummer for the band Stycks</em></strong></p><p>Paul: Welcome Jack, can you tell me how you got into the music business?</p><p>Jack: I went to school at RL Turner, played in a band there we called the Royals. That&#8217;s where I began my drumming career.</p><p>Paul: Tell me about The Stycks</p><p>Jack: They formed a couple of years before I joined them, 66-67ish. I replaced their drummer Jay Taylor, his family owned Taylor Publishing.</p><div id="attachment_7454" style="width: 730px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7454" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7454 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1969.jpg?resize=720%2C491&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="720" height="491" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1969.jpg?w=720&amp;ssl=1 720w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1969.jpg?resize=300%2C205&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7454" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Jack Mitchell and The Stycks at Louann&#8217;s 1969. Courtesy Jack Mitchell</em></p></div><p>That&#8217;s about the time when I was introduced to the Studio Club which Larry Lavine owned. He&#8217;s a crazy one. He married Caroll Shelby&#8217;s daughter I think. We used to rehearse all the time at Studio Club. Larry was pretty cool about that. Don Henley would be there practicing with Felicity, we&#8217;d take turns rehearsing and listen to each other. It was pretty cool as nobody else was in the club.</p><p>I remember when Don and Glenn said they were going to go out to LA to play with some chick out there. Turned out to be Linda Ronstadt and the Stone Ponies which became the Eagles.</p><p>Amazing.</p><div id="attachment_7455" style="width: 730px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7455" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7455 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1970.jpg?resize=720%2C540&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="720" height="540" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1970.jpg?w=720&amp;ssl=1 720w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1970.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/the-Stycks-at-Louanns-1970.jpg?resize=370%2C278&amp;ssl=1 370w" sizes="(max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7455" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Stycks at Louann&#8217;s, 1970, courtesy Jack Mitchell</em></p></div><p>We played over at Louann&#8217;s a few times before Larry bought it from Ann. We also ended up playing there every other weekend for a long time both in the old club and the new one that he built after the fire.</p><p>Paul: Can you tell me what the difference was between the owners Ann Bovis and Larry Lavine?</p><p>Jack: That would be hard to say as we didnt really have a lot of contact with Ann. We were booked through Showco. They got us some really good gigs. We opened for Zephyr at Louann&#8217;s and we opened for Steve Miller band at McFarlin Auditorium at SMU. Zephyr actually played at the Texas International Pop Festival. Showco got us another gig opening for Sonny and Cher at University of Oklahoma and Texas Tech. They wanted us to sign an exclusive agreement but we didn&#8217;t. Big mistake.</p><p>I was just thinking about those Louann&#8217;s tickets we saw a photo of the other day. I remember going upstairs at Louann&#8217;s and seeing box after box of old tickets from different shows going back to the 40s. I wish I had kept a few of those for souvenirs!</p><p>By the time we were playing there in the late 60&#8217;s, they really didn&#8217;t open the back garden up so much. So the bands would go back there to take a break, bring out the bongs and relax.</p><p>I do remember one little tidbit. We auditioned Stevie Ray Vaughn to join Stycks as a favor to Jimmy Vaughn. I could tell he was a natural but we really needed somebody that could play the cover tunes. He was really good but we needed guys that could fit in our style, he was still a little wild. Then a couple of year later we are playing The Cellar and this band called Blackbird comes on and all of a sudden here comes Stevie. Wow. What a change. The guy was an absolute phenom.</p><p>That was the week before this happened. We were up at Louann&#8217;s during the day trying to work in the new guitar player that we had just hired and had left all our equipment up there. This was April 1st of 1971. I get a call from a friend of mine telling me that &#8216;Louanns burned down last night&#8217;. I tell him &#8216;that&#8217;s not funny&#8217; thinking its a April Fools joke. Turns out it was true.</p><p>I called the Dallas Fire Department to make sure my friends hadn&#8217;t been ribbing me. They told me that it was a 3 alarm fire. I asked what was the extent of the damage and he says &#8216;the place burned to the ground&#8217;. I&#8217;m saying &#8216;oh crap, you gotta be kidding me.&#8217;</p><p>I remember asking about the fella that lived upstairs. He was lucky to get out of there with his life. I think his name was Terry, an Assistant Manager or something.</p><p>From what I understand the Fire Department kinda gave up saving any of the buildings but were protecting the Texaco Station on the corner. They had gone into a defensive mode so the tanks there wouldn&#8217;t explode.</p><p>We went by later once the fire had cooled off. My drums had melted into a little pile, I grabbed a couple of cymbals and that was about all that was left of all our equipment.</p><p>We had just been dropped by our insurance company two weeks before that saying that we were too big a risk, so we ended up losing everything.</p><p>Anyway we had a gig later that night so we headed over to Arnold and Morgan and get everything. I was still paying off the loan on the year old, double bass Ludwig, two flare toms and a ton of percussion equipment. Larry Morgan was there, we told him what had happened and he thought we were pulling his leg, an April Fools joke. When he finally realized we were serious, he hooked it into gear and got us all fixed up for the gig that night.</p><p>We talked to Larry Lavine about this later but his insurance didn&#8217;t cover anything we owned. That didn&#8217;t go over too well with us but to his credit he kept us working at the Studio Club and the new Louann&#8217;s. The new club was the same building where Kitty Hawk was and later it became Cowboy and Confetti. I remember there were two levels. They had a balcony that kinda wrapped around the inside of the club.</p><p>Of course Larry was the brains behind Chili&#8217;s. He and a few of his buddies would go down to Terlingua to the Texas Chili Cookoff. He tells me, &#8216;Man, I got this idea for a burger place, we&#8217;re gonna call it Chili&#8217;s.&#8217; I&#8217;m thinking, &#8216;just what we need, another burger place. But he knew.&#8217; We went to Opening Night there, it was kinda the rehearsal for the opening night.</p><p>Paul: So tell me about what happened to The Stycks</p><p>Jack: At some point we started losing members so we decided to go ahead and let the name Stycks die out. We ended up forming Texas Rose. Our lead singer was a guy named Bob Lincoln and we had a gal singer named Linda Wary. Her boyfriend was the fella at Studio Club that booked us. We went through three or four versions of Texas Rose.</p><p>I also played with a band called Lynx. It was kinda strange as we opened for the band Styx (not my Stycks)</p><p>Paul: So what are you up to these days?</p><p>Jack: Well up until about 5 years ago, I was electronics manager at Walmart. Then I decided to retire. I basically handed them my badge and walked off after the manager and I got into a fight. My wife and I had 14 cats and 3 dogs. Spend half my day cleaning cat poop!</p><p>Paul: Thanks so much Jack. Some great stuff here, it&#8217;s been a blast!</p><div id="attachment_7466" style="width: 636px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7466" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7466 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?resize=626%2C403&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="626" height="403" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?w=626&amp;ssl=1 626w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?resize=300%2C193&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 626px) 100vw, 626px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7466" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Positively 13 O&#8217;Clock with Jimmy Rabbit and Bugs Henderson at Louann&#8217;s (bugs on guitar) courtesy Garage Hangover and Jimmy Rabbit</em></p></div><p><a href="https://meminc.org/louanns2/">Jump to Louann&#8217;s Part 2</a></p><p><!-- /wp:fl-builder/layout --></p>								</div>
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<p>"Ann Bovis talked to The Colonel once about booking Elvis in the late '50's but he wanted too much money. Same thing with the Beatles. She had Lawrence Welk there one New Years Eve and said she thought she had about 6,000 customers that night. She booked about every big band there was at the time like Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman, Gene Crupa, Harry James - big band was before my time. I was born in '48. I remember seeing The Turtles, Jimmy Reed and Ray Price." Mike Martinkus</p>
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									<div id="attachment_7473" style="width: 1891px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7473" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7473" style="color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); font-size: 14px;" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/10003137-1.jpg?resize=1000%2C1170&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1170" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/10003137-1.jpg?w=1881&amp;ssl=1 1881w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/10003137-1.jpg?resize=257%2C300&amp;ssl=1 257w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/10003137-1.jpg?resize=876%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 876w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/10003137-1.jpg?resize=768%2C898&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/10003137-1.jpg?resize=1313%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1313w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/10003137-1.jpg?resize=1751%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1751w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7473" class="wp-caption-text"><em><span style="color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); font-size: 14px;"> Central and Lovers Lane looking south, 12/04/1953. Courtesy Squire Haskins, aerial photo courtesy UNT Portal to History. Greenville Ave on the left, going N/S, Lovers Lane crossing, going E/W. Central Expressway on the right. Louann&#8217;s is at the lower left, the building at Lovers and Greenville Ave</span></em></p></div><h1 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Louann&#8217;s &#8211; Part 2</strong></em></h1><h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>Interviews by Paul Heckmann, Executive Director, <a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/">Memories Inc.</a></em></strong></h4><p style="text-align: center;">If you missed Louann&#8217;s Part 1, be sure to check it out at <a href="https://memoriesofdallas.org/louanns1/">https://meminc.org/louanns1/</a></p><h4 style="text-align: center;"><em>Michael &#8220;Mike&#8221; Martinkus</em></h4><h4 style="text-align: center;"><em>Son of Anton Martinkus and nephew of Ann Bovis</em></h4><p>Paul: Tell me about &#8216;growing up Louann&#8217;s</p><div id="attachment_4270" style="width: 231px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4270" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4270 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1944-children-die-in-fire-1-1.png?resize=221%2C776&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="221" height="776" /><p id="caption-attachment-4270" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Mike and Pat&#8217;s older sisters, RIP. Courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div><p>Mike: I guess you have to start with tragedy. We had 2 sisters that died before any of the rest of us were born. It was during World War II and my dad was off in the Army. My mother lived in a house behind the original club that was on Louann&#8217;s property. The house caught fire and burned with my sisters Tony (4) and Judy (2) inside. I never could get much of the story out of any of the elders about that tragedy. I guess it was just too painful to talk about. Nothing that could happen to you in your lifetime could come close to the anguish of losing a little child like that, nothing.</p><p>Paul: And the area you grew up in?</p><p>Mike: Before Medallion or anything else was built around Abrams and Northwest Hwy, my brother Pat, me and my cousins used to ride horses there. My Aunt Ann owned a lot of the land in that area as did the Caruths. They lived at the end of what is now Lovers Lane. Back then that part of Lovers was called &#8216;Anthony Lane&#8217;. She and my uncle Lou built about 10 houses there and would only rent them to returning WWII armed service members who had, or were expecting, a child.</p><p>There was a Cabell&#8217;s Mart on the east side Abrams at Lontos. There was a funeral home on the south side of Northwest Hwy about where Shakey&#8217;s Pizza was later built. I believe it was &#8220;Crane Funeral Home&#8221;. As a kid I have a recollection of this rickety one lane bridge that had a slight turn in it that I think was on Abrams just north of Northwest Highway.</p><p>Paul: What do you remember about the Lou and Ann?</p><p>Aunt Ann and Uncle Lou started Louann&#8217;s in 1940 and kept it going until about around 1970. Uncle Lou died in 1950, so most of the growth of the night club was due to Aunt Ann&#8217;s enterprise.</p><p>Lou and Ann had 4 children; Chelle, Tony who are still with us &#8211; and Phillip and Louis who are deceased.</p><p>Paul: And the club?</p><p>Mike: The club was on the SE corner of Lovers and Greenville. The Roma Motel was eventually diagonally across the intersection, there was a liquor store just south of the club on the same side of Greenville. A pizza kitchen called &#8220;To-Go&#8221; was opened on the Lovers Lane side and was operated mostly by cousin Phillip.</p><p>Across the street was a &#8220;Pitch-and-Put&#8221; golf. Lee Trevino worked there and Phil and my brother Pat would sneak over there when they were supposed to be selling pizza and play golf with Lee. Lee played against them using a Dr Pepper bottle as a club and still beat them!</p><p>Also across the road was a stable and boarding for horses. Of course that was all just open fields around there then until you got down to Abrams Rd. There might very well have been other stables on Greenville Ave. Aunt Ann had her own stable with horses, corral and lots of room to ride.</p><div id="attachment_7495" style="width: 1305px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7495" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7495 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Roma-Motel-5323-Greenville.jpg?resize=1000%2C648&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="648" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Roma-Motel-5323-Greenville.jpg?w=1295&amp;ssl=1 1295w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Roma-Motel-5323-Greenville.jpg?resize=300%2C194&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Roma-Motel-5323-Greenville.jpg?resize=1024%2C663&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Roma-Motel-5323-Greenville.jpg?resize=768%2C498&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7495" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Roma Motel, caty cornered from Louann&#8217;s, where some of the acts that preformed there, would stay. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107. </em></p></div><p>She talked to The Colonel once about booking Elvis in the late &#8217;50&#8217;s but he wanted too much money. Same thing with the Beatles. She had Lawrence Welk there one New Years Eve and said she thought she had about 6,000 customers that night. She booked about every big band there was at the time like Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman, Gene Crupa, Harry James &#8211; big band was before my time. I was born in &#8217;48. I remember seeing The Turtles, Jimmy Reed and Ray Price.</p><p>Paul: And didn&#8217;t your dad work for Louann&#8217;s?</p><p>Mike: My dad worked for Louann&#8217;s for a while. He was there when they built it and started it up but also worked at Ed Maher Ford, downtown on Harwood. He would work some Sundays when the dealership was closed and took me and Pat downtown with him. We would wander the streets looking for mischief. We climbed the unfinished Sheraton and Southland Life buildings. Pat broke his arm sliding down the strip between the escalators going to the basement of one of them. It&#8217;s a miracle we are alive.</p><p>Paul: I talked to your brother Pat more about your dad. Do you remember what happened to your Aunt Ann after she left?</p><p>When Ann sold Louann&#8217;s, she moved up to her &#8220;Farm&#8221; at Pilot Point. Phil moved up there also. She had a driller come in to drill a water well for her but he hit gas instead. She was ticked off, said she needed water not gas. They came in and put up a derrick with the mud pond for drill mud and my cousin Louie promptly drove Ann&#8217;s bulldozer into it up to the seat!</p><p>Mike: Ann is buried up at Calvary Hill Cemetery with the rest of my family including my 2 sisters.</p><p>Paul: Thanks for you time Mike. The interview with your brother Pat will be in Louann&#8217;s Part 3</p><div id="attachment_4263" style="width: 160px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4263" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-4263" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Lisa-Willow-Rountree-parents-back-on-right-1-150x150-1.jpg?resize=150%2C150&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="150" height="150" /><p id="caption-attachment-4263" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Lisa Willow Rountree&#8217;s parents at Louann&#8217;s, 1941, photo courtesy Lisa Willow Rountree</em></p></div><h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>Bill Bragg</em></strong></h4><p><em>Broadcast Engineer and Camera &amp; Audio Operator for three years at CBS, Ch 11 KTVT and twenty-seven years at FOX, Ch 4 KDFW in Dallas, Texas, also voice of Big Tex at the State Fair and the son of Marvin Bragg who worked at Louann&#8217;s for over two decades</em></p><p>Paul: Hey Bill, glad to finally get together with you. Can you tell me a little bit about where you are from and where you grew up?</p><p>Bill: Oh, I was born in Dallas in 1946. Went Vickery Elementary, then Benjamin Franklin Middle School and then Hillcrest High School. I went to college in Garland for one year but that didn&#8217;t take.</p><div id="attachment_7503" style="width: 985px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7503" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7503" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/2019-03-05_135153.jpg?resize=975%2C1251&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="975" height="1251" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/2019-03-05_135153.jpg?w=975&amp;ssl=1 975w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/2019-03-05_135153.jpg?resize=234%2C300&amp;ssl=1 234w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/2019-03-05_135153.jpg?resize=798%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 798w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/2019-03-05_135153.jpg?resize=768%2C985&amp;ssl=1 768w" sizes="(max-width: 975px) 100vw, 975px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7503" class="wp-caption-text"><em>A young Bill Bragg at Hillcrest HS. Courtesy Steven Bourn and Hillcrest Annual</em></p></div><p>Paul: And I understand your dad Marvin, worked at Texas&#8217;s first super-club, Louann&#8217;s.</p><p>Bill: Oh, my daddy worked there for about 20 years part time. When he first started working there, Louann&#8217;s was way out of town, wasn&#8217;t even part of Dallas back then. He worked for a drug company full time. He bartended there, took tickets, pretty much whatever Ann asked him to do. We got to know the Bovis&#8217;s pretty well. I got to know Tony. I used to go over to the Bovis house and go swimming. That&#8217;s where I learned how to swim, that was over around Abrams and Lontos area.</p><p>Paul: And you worked there too, didn&#8217;t you?</p><p>Bill: I used to do all sorts of stuff there, usually cleaning tables and picking up bottles. I remember Guy Lombardo was there one night when I guess I was about 10 years old or so. They had a special table for him and his crew. So Mrs. Bovis had me selling popcorn. I go up to his table, it&#8217;s all dark inside so I didn&#8217;t see who it was.</p><p>Anyway I ask him if he would like to buy some popcorn. And he says &#8216;Son, I will make you a deal. My wife and I wanted to go dancing, but the ladies don&#8217;t want to leave their purses. If you will stay here and watch the purses, I&#8217;ll buy all the g** d*** popcorn you got!&#8217;</p><p>So I did &#8211; and he did!</p><p>I saw Bruce Channel one night. He tried to date my cousin. He had that song &#8220;Hey Baby&#8221;.</p><p>Another night Roy Orbison was there, and he was signing autographs. So I was over there cleaning tables, picking up beer bottles and so on. He got real busy and couldn&#8217;t get to me but says &#8216;Hold on a minute and I&#8217;ll get you an autograph.&#8217; I got busy cleaning and by the time I got back, he was gone. And he never came back.</p><div id="attachment_7504" style="width: 511px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7504" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7504" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954-1.jpg?resize=501%2C616&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="501" height="616" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954-1.jpg?w=501&amp;ssl=1 501w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Ray-Anthony-at-Louanns-1954-1.jpg?resize=244%2C300&amp;ssl=1 244w" sizes="(max-width: 501px) 100vw, 501px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7504" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Ray Anthony at Louann&#8217;s 1954. Courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div><p>Paul: Who were some of the other folk that you remember seeing there?</p><p>Bill: Oh gosh, Trini Lopez was a favorite. My mom had hired him for the &#8220;Round Up&#8221; program for her work as Secretary to several Bishops. So I got to know him pretty well and when he came to Louann&#8217;s, I spent a lot of time backstage with him.</p><div id="attachment_7513" style="width: 1857px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7513" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7513" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Harry-James-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1000%2C1386&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="1000" height="1386" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Harry-James-1-scaled.jpg?w=1847&amp;ssl=1 1847w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Harry-James-1-scaled.jpg?resize=216%2C300&amp;ssl=1 216w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Harry-James-1-scaled.jpg?resize=739%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 739w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Harry-James-1-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C1064&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Harry-James-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1108%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1108w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Harry-James-1-scaled.jpg?resize=1478%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 1478w" sizes="(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7513" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Harry James in one of his promotional photos. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.</em></p></div><p>I remember Harry James, Ray Anthony and most of those big band guys. I had pretty much moved on by the time the rock bands came around, but Daddy still worked there so I heard the stories about Jeff Beck and Rod Stewart and the rest of those guys.</p><p>I do remember The Chessmen with Jimmy Vaughn.</p><p>Paul: How about other employees?</p><div id="attachment_6764" style="width: 521px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6764" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-6764 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Copy-of-Jason_1.jpg?resize=511%2C700&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="511" height="700" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Copy-of-Jason_1.jpg?w=511&amp;ssl=1 511w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Copy-of-Jason_1.jpg?resize=219%2C300&amp;ssl=1 219w" sizes="(max-width: 511px) 100vw, 511px" /><p id="caption-attachment-6764" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Bill Bragg in his Big Tex getup. He loved being the voice of Big Tex. Courtesy Bill Bragg</em></p></div><p>Bill: There was Marty, Ann&#8217;s brother. He kinda ran the floor. And Nonnie, she was the head waitress. She was Ann&#8217;s buddy and best friend. And Clara, she was the cook. My Aunt Helen worked there as a waitress, she was my dad&#8217;s youngest sister, Helen Dolinger.</p><p>Paul: Tell me a little about working as &#8216;Big Tex&#8217; at the State Fair.</p><p>Bill: I had a great time. I worked there 13 years as the voice of &#8216;Big Tex&#8217;. (in his Big Tex voice) &#8220;Howdy there folks! Big Tex is mighty proud to see all you folks down yonder. I just wanted to make sure that every last one of ya is having a really great time, and a really safe time while you are here.&#8221; I even have a 12 statue of Big Tex in my living room. They had a 50th birthday and they had a parade there and one of the floats had this massive statue of Big Tex. So the Fair was closing and I was on the horn &#8220;Goodbye folks, Y&#8217;all come back now&#8221;. So everyone is pretty much gone, I close down Big Tex and go out on and see some of the carnies that I was friends with.</p><p>So I look over and in the dumpster was this huge Big Tex statue that they were going to throw away. So I see Ray Landis who kinda ran the whole fair ground and he says they are throwing it away but I can have it if I want it. So I load it up and it still sits in my living room!</p><p>Bill: By the way, I have an audio file I think you will like. I made it back in the 90&#8217;s when my dad was still alive. It was a &#8216;Journey back in time to 1950 with Guy Lombardo on New Year&#8217;s Eve&#8217;. (will post that audio file as soon as it arrives)</p><p>Paul: Thank you Bill. And in my best Big Tex voice &#8220;Thanks Bill, ya&#8217;ll come back now!&#8221;</p><h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>Carter Buschardt</em></strong></h4><p><em>Excerpts from an interview with Carter Buschardt of The Nobelmen, Nighthog, The Wolverines, Rosco, Freddie King&#8217;s band and Krackerjack</em></p><p>Paul: And tell me about your Louann&#8217;s experience</p><p>Carter: I never played in a band up there, but I did go. I was too young to get in, but we all did. Ann was a tough gal and she knew she was letting kids in, but she kept them off the street and their parents appreciated that.</p><div id="attachment_7519" style="width: 731px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7519" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7519" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Jeff-Beck-Group-LuAnnes-Dallas-Tx-7-17-68.jpg?resize=721%2C648&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="721" height="648" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Jeff-Beck-Group-LuAnnes-Dallas-Tx-7-17-68.jpg?w=721&amp;ssl=1 721w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Jeff-Beck-Group-LuAnnes-Dallas-Tx-7-17-68.jpg?resize=300%2C270&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 721px) 100vw, 721px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7519" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Jeff Beck Group at Louann&#8217;s, with Rod Stewart 7-17-1968. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107.</em></p></div><p>First time I ever went to Louann&#8217;s was Jeff Beck in 1968. A friends brother had tickets but couldn&#8217;t we were pumped. The British Invasion had taken me by storm. I don&#8217;t remember the sound being that good from the speakers but it didn&#8217;t matter. It was Jeff Beck. And Rod Stewart.</p><div id="attachment_7518" style="width: 605px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7518" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7518" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Carter-and-Lou-Bovis-1979.jpg?resize=595%2C808&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="595" height="808" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Carter-and-Lou-Bovis-1979.jpg?w=595&amp;ssl=1 595w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Carter-and-Lou-Bovis-1979.jpg?resize=221%2C300&amp;ssl=1 221w" sizes="(max-width: 595px) 100vw, 595px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7518" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Carter Buschardt and Louis Bovis, the son of Lou and Ann. Carter is on the left and Louis is in the middle</em></p></div><p>And that&#8217;s where I met Lou Bovis. I played in a band with him for about 3-4 years. He was Lou and Ann&#8217;s son.</p><p>I remember they had some &#8216;Battle of the Bands&#8217; there but by the time I was in a band, we were booked at The Studio Club most of the time.</p><p>Paul: What else do you remember?</p><p>Carter: Oh, the back of the club was all open. Everybody went back there to smoke, not the cigarettes either. And also to dance.</p><p>Paul: Why wouldn&#8217;t they dance inside?</p><p>Carter: Ann wouldn&#8217;t let folks do certain dances inside. Anything that was bump-and-grind or otherwise too close, she would be out there on the floor pushing you apart so they would go out back.</p><p>She would even tell the bands to quit playing certain songs. There were certain songs she was appalled at. Every once in while you would hear, &#8216;Sorry but due to Management, we can&#8217;t play this tune&#8217; and they would move on.</p><div id="attachment_4250" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4250" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-4250 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Tommy-Hudson-and-the-Savoys-playing-at-Louanns-courtesy-DeForrest-Kuykendall-300x207-1-1.jpg?resize=300%2C207&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="207" /><p id="caption-attachment-4250" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Tommy Hudson and the Savoys with DeForrest Kuykendall. They were a Dallas band. Shot from Louann&#8217;s. Photo courtesy Internet included in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107. </em></p></div><h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>Jerry Smith</em></strong></h4><p><em>Jerry was the lead guitar for Kenny and the Kasuals and co-wrote their top hit. He is currently with The Legendary Woo Brothers</em></p><p><em>Excerpts from an upcoming article:</em></p><div id="attachment_6592" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6592" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-6592" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/R-1853588-1350772008-6312.jpg?resize=300%2C294&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="300" height="294" /><p id="caption-attachment-6592" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Kenny and the Kasuals album cover, courtesy Mark Lee</em></p></div><p>Paul: Mark Lee and you wrote a song together, didn&#8217;t you?</p><p>Jerry: Yes. He was the co-writer of &#8220;Journey to Tyme&#8221;. I wrote the music and we collaborated on the lyrics. It was the only song he and I wrote together. We actually wrote it at &#8216;The Studio Club&#8217;. He and I went up to the balcony and wrote it while the rest of the band was downstairs getting their stuff together to rehearse.</p><p>We really loved playing at the Studio Club. I think we were playing there 2 or 3 times a month. The acoustics were great. It was like playing in a movie theater, there was a big stage with balconies on the side with a dance floor up front and tables underneath the balcony.</p><p>And we opened for the Yardbirds there.</p><p>Paul: That&#8217;s amazing! Those guys are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.</p><p>Jerry: Jimmy Page was with them then. We opened and played a full set, then they played a set, then we did our second and they finished up</p><p>Jerry: We also opened for the Turtles at Louann&#8217;s. I think we played in the big room that night. We also played the smaller room quite a bit. It was huge place. Lots of great bands would play there including several folks we knew.</p><p>We were good friends with The Chessman who would play there all the time. Kenny and I were buddies with Jimmy Vaughn who was with them then.  We would go over to Jimmy&#8217;s house and there would be Stevie, a little gawky kid <em>(with a laugh)</em> hanging around. We would say &#8216;Hey Stevie&#8217; just kidding around and pick on him a little. You know, big brother-little brother stuff and we were big brother&#8217;s friends. But he was a good kid.</p><div id="attachment_7097" style="width: 636px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7097" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7097" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?resize=626%2C403&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="626" height="403" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?w=626&amp;ssl=1 626w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Postively-13-OClock-with-Jimmy-Rabbit-and-Bugs-Henderson-at-Louanns-bugs-on-guitar-courtesy-Garage-Hangover-and-Jimmy-Rabbit.jpg?resize=300%2C193&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 626px) 100vw, 626px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7097" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Postively 13 O&#8217;Clock with Jimmy Rabbit and Bugs Henderson at Louann&#8217;s (bugs on guitar) courtesy Garage Hangover and Jimmy Rabbit</em></p></div><h4 style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>K</strong><strong>irby St. Romain</strong></em></h4><p><em>Kirby was a longtime employee of Ann Bovis, working both as the house-band backing up the name acts, and returning later as part of the group &#8216;The Expressions&#8217;</em></p><p>Paul: You and I have known each other for way too dang long!</p><p>Kirby: We are old!</p><p>Paul: Tell about your rock and roll childhood.</p><div id="attachment_7524" style="width: 440px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7524" data-recalc-dims="1" class="wp-image-7524 size-full" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Kirby-Kelly-Jesse-Dee.jpg?resize=430%2C186&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="430" height="186" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Kirby-Kelly-Jesse-Dee.jpg?w=430&amp;ssl=1 430w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Kirby-Kelly-Jesse-Dee.jpg?resize=300%2C130&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 430px) 100vw, 430px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7524" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Kirby St. Romain, Bob Kelley, Jesse Lopez and Dee. One of their backup gigs behind Willie Nelson in his &#8216;Half a Man&#8217; Days for KLIF</em></p></div><p>Kirby: I started playing and singing while I was still in High School at Thomas Jefferson with Forest Murphy and Eddie Wurst back in the garage band stage of my life. Not sure if you would actually call it a garage band as Forest&#8217;s mom let us play inside the house.</p><p>The name of our first band was the Road Runners. I kinda stumbled into it. The old Yellow Belly drag-strip had a Battle of the Bands. They knew I had been singing for a while, and I was the only one that knew the words to the Chuck Berry songs. None of the other guys wanted to sing&#8230;or could. That&#8217;s how I got started &#8211; started singing because no one else wanted the job.</p><p>Paul: Did you have any choir or music experience?</p><p>Kirby: Not really. I took piano back at Catholic School as a kid, but I decided that piano wasn&#8217;t cool. So instead, I got a trombone. I guess it was kinda like Music Man. The guy comes into town with his trombone and all the kids follow behind. Well, the trombone thing didn&#8217;t work out like it did for Robert Preston. And I wasn&#8217;t taking lessons, so if just kinda fizzled out, meanwhile my little brother Michael had got himself a guitar. The folks had got him a Silvertone electric guitar from Sears. And they bought me a snare drum.</p><p>After a while I got tired of the snare drum too, so I picked up Micheal&#8217;s guitar and started playing it. And then ran into a couple of guys at TJ that played guitar too. One of them had this Fender guitar. I had never heard of them. That&#8217;s gotta tell ya something.</p><p>Anyway we would just kinda hang around, listen to old Jimmy Reed records and try to figure out what he had been playing. Chords, where to go, where to go&#8230; that&#8217;s how &#8216;The Roadrunners&#8217; got started.</p><p>I was playing with The Roadrunnners at some school and they had a special guest, Scotty McKay. And we backed him up. After the gig, he came over and asked me if I wanted to play a job with him. I thought he was asking about the whole band. He wasn&#8217;t. To make a long story short, I had borrowed money from my dad to buy a bass guitar as we didn&#8217;t have a bass in the band. And I was quite literally new to it, but Scotty liked the way I played and ended up leaving the band and playing with Scotty for a long time.</p><p>As a matter of fact Scotty is the one who got me into the recording studio to do my own stuff. It turned out to be &#8220;Summers Coming&#8221; which I wrote in the back seat of his car on the way to the studio. We already recorded the A side of the record with a tune called &#8216;Walk On&#8217; and needed a B for the release. Two DJs from KLIF heard it, Chuck Dunaway and Bill Enis and they played it for Diamond Records in NYC and they agreed to distribute it. Made it to the Top 50 that year. The next time I walked into KLIF, they said &#8216;You want to be on American Bandstand in Philadelphia?&#8217; I says &#8216;sure, I guess&#8230;&#8217; So I went on the Dick Clark tours.</p><p><iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VfqutcTxD3U?feature=oembed" width="688" height="516" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="allowfullscreen"></iframe></p><p>After all that was over, I decided to go back to school at North Texas State. To make money, I worked on the weekends at Louann&#8217;s. It was the &#8216;Kirby St. Romain Band&#8217; &#8211; we were kinda the house-band for a few years.</p><p>You know people would ask me all the time how Ann could get all these stars to come to Louann&#8217;s. Well, she would get them in the middle of the week which was normally a down time for them, and very inexpensive. And she would only book the star, then she would call me and my band would come back them up so they didst have the bring their own band.</p><div id="attachment_7529" style="width: 416px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7529" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7529" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/fuu.jpg?resize=406%2C735&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="406" height="735" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/fuu.jpg?w=406&amp;ssl=1 406w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/fuu.jpg?resize=166%2C300&amp;ssl=1 166w" sizes="(max-width: 406px) 100vw, 406px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7529" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Kirby St. Romain and the Warlocks at Louann&#8217;s. Clipping courtesy Dallas Morning News</em></p></div><p>One night she brings in Chuck Berry. Well, we normally had a rehearsal or two. Not with Chuck. He says &#8216;when I stomp my foot, we are starting and when I stomp it again, the song&#8217;s over&#8217;. So we get up on stage, Chuck didn&#8217;t bring his own amp so he looks around for one, see&#8217;s my bass amp is the biggest so he goes over, plugs in, turns all the dials up full and starts playing! Nearly destroyed my bass amp &#8211; bass is not really compatible playing the same time as lead guitar.</p><p>Paul: Who were some of the other folks you played with at Louann&#8217;s?</p><p>Kirby: Oh man, there were a bunch, we backed up Ike and Tina Turner, The Coasters, The Drifters, folks like that. Ann would get so many of the acts on their off days for a really good price. It was really smart of her to fly in only the headliners. She was a sharp gal.</p><p>Paul: Tell me about Ann.</p><p>Kirby: Oh yes, she was really fond of me because I was going to college. She had a lot of respect for that. And I was working for her on the weekends and whenever else she needed me. Anytime I would show up, she would take me back in the kitchen and fix me something to eat. She was really something.</p><p>Paul: Its quite interesting for Ann to have been so successful after Lou died. She ran the club by herself for nearly two decades.</p><p>Kirby: She was really a tough old bird, she didn&#8217;t take any crap from anybody. She could wheel and deal with the best of them.</p><p>Paul: And the rest of her family?</p><p>Kirby: I knew Chelle. Great gal. I ran into her years later when I was working on the cruise ships and she was a passenger. She slid a note under my door to let me know she was onboard. It had to be twenty years since the last time I saw her. And I knew Tony, her son.</p><p>My guitar player back in the Louann&#8217;s days was Bobby Rambo. Bobby was always sniffing around Chelle. Between sets Chelle was the DJ, playing records to keep the crowd going. Bobby would be over there hitting on her. And momma-bear Ann did not like that! She would go over and break that up before anything got going.</p><p>Paul: What kind of money were you making at Louann&#8217;s?</p><p>Kirby: Oh, it wasn&#8217;t great, probably $100 for Saturday and Sunday but it was a lot for back then. Ann would come by at the end of the night with an envelope full of cash to pay the guys. We&#8217;d divvy it up and that was that.</p><p>Meanwhile I was doing a bunch of recording at Bob Kelly&#8217;s studio, he was a DJ at WRR radio. He&#8217;d call me and I would come by and we would record. Bob, Jay Linsey, Jerry Brown and Frank Cole were starting this vocal group called The Expressions, which would be about 1964. They were purely vocal and would go to various clubs and play with whomever the house bands were to back them up.</p><p>They signed with Nat Goodman who also managed a group called The Diamonds. He told The Expressions that they were not going to be able to play Las Vegas unless they played their own instruments like The Diamonds. That was okay but they didn&#8217;t have a drummer. So I see Bob Kelly at the Palace Theater one night and he says &#8216;I&#8217;ve seen you mess around with the drums at the studio before. You think you learn how to play your drums good enough to go on the road with us?&#8217;</p><p>I says &#8216;Well, sure.&#8217; You know I did! So I spent some time learning how to play the drums but still working with my group at Louann&#8217;s.</p><p>Paul: So tell me about leaving Louann&#8217;s and the Kirby St. Romain Band.</p><p>Kirby: Well, just after the club closed for the night back in the summer of 65, I got all the guys together and told them that I was leaving the band to go on the road with The Expressions. All of them had other jobs to go back to expect for Bobby Rambo. Of course he went on to be one of the great guitar players of all time. He was nominated for a bunch of Grammies and ended playing with folks like Jerry Lee Lewis, The Five Americans, Carol King, Ronnie Dawson, Jerry Jeff Walker, B.W. Stevenson and folks like that.</p><p>Bobby is still playing. Every once in a while we have a revival of The Expressions and Bobby will show up for that. We usually do it in a little placed tucked way away called the The Pocket Sandwich Theater.</p><p>Paul: And then the Expressions</p><p>Kirby: I joined The Expressions in 1965 at a club in Oklahoma City. At the same time, I was just graduating from college. And the night I graduated from college, I wasn&#8217;t there, I was onstage in Phoenix, Arizona at the Playboy Club because we had already gone on the road. I felt kinda bad for my mom and dad as they didn&#8217;t get to see me graduate, that really bugged me for a long time.</p><p>Anyway unlike a lot of folk at North Texas, I wasn&#8217;t into music there. You were really considered an elite musician if you went there for music. I got my degree in &#8216;radio and TV broadcasting and communications&#8217;. And I never got a job in the Radio and TV. Not a single one. It was music all the way for me.</p><p>So we crisscrossed the country. It wasn&#8217;t like now with the big motor-homes. You pretty much loaded everything into whomever&#8217;s car was biggest, hooked up a trailer and took off. No roadies, just doing whatever was necessary.</p><div id="attachment_7535" style="width: 536px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7535" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7535" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/555454_4197209083751_2068050226_n-1.jpg?resize=526%2C653&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="526" height="653" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/555454_4197209083751_2068050226_n-1.jpg?w=526&amp;ssl=1 526w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/555454_4197209083751_2068050226_n-1.jpg?resize=242%2C300&amp;ssl=1 242w" sizes="(max-width: 526px) 100vw, 526px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7535" class="wp-caption-text"><em>The Expression, 1965. Courtesy Kirby St. Romain</em></p></div><p>Paul: So tell me more about coming back to Dallas</p><p>Kirby: Oh man, we were really popular in Dallas. They loved us at The Loser&#8217;s Club there on Mockingbird. We used to pack that place. I still have the second hand smoke to prove it. I still have clothes to prove it. Back in those days you could smoke in the clubs and it was like playing in a dense fog.</p><p>We played Louann&#8217;s quite a bit too until Ann sold it. I really loved my time there. Ann was the best.</p><p>I was with the Expressions for 10 years. In January of 1976 I left the group. It began a hard time for me, I learned the hard way &#8216;you don&#8217;t leave one job without another one in the wings&#8217;.</p><p>Paul: So was that when you started doing stand up comedy?</p><p>Kirby: Well, I had been doing some with all my bands, but it&#8217;s a whole different world when you get up there by yourself without a group of guys backing you up. Just you, the microphone and room full of people. I literally had to re-learn how to preform as a entertainer as a solo act. I ended up moving to Reno, Nevada where I got a job as an Entertainment Director for one of the hotels, the Riverside Hotel. It turned out to be a job in name only. A lady named Jessie Beck was the owner. She kept trying to move me to the front desk, she said I would be much better there&#8230;</p><p>So I left there and did a bunch of menial jobs. One of them was being a bartender at Shakey&#8217;s Pizza Parlor. One day this big guy walks in and says &#8216;I&#8217;m looking for Kirby St. Romain&#8217;. It turned out to be Donnie Brooks, had a #1 hit in 1960 called &#8216;Mission Bell&#8217;. So I started to work for him in Reno. Then he would call me for work in Los Angeles and would fly me in. He hooked me up with different agents, so I started doing even bigger shows like Johnny Cash, Jimmy Rogers, Red Skelton, it turned out to be quite amazing.</p><p>Then I started working on the cruise ships, 1983. It was a total disaster, it was a brand new ship, the New Amsterdam for Holland America and it was already falling apart. That nearly kept me off cruise ships forever. Anyway a couple of years later I had moved to LA as that&#8217;s where most of the work was and was working at the Elks Club in Long Beach. An agent there said &#8216;I&#8217;ve got these the little ships that make runs to from San Pedro down to Ensenada on 3 and 4 day cruises. So I decided to give it one more shot and had a blast. And then they bought this new ship, The Stardancer, so I ended up splitting my time between them</p><p>Paul: And of course that is where we met. I was Chief Purser on the Stardancer when you were headliner.</p><p>Kirby: Oh yes. Those were the days.</p><div id="attachment_7536" style="width: 744px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-7536" data-recalc-dims="1" class="size-full wp-image-7536" src="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Expressions-with-Kirby-at-Loser-1974-thanks-to-Cheryl-Putname-Davenport.jpg?resize=734%2C522&#038;ssl=1" alt="" width="734" height="522" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Expressions-with-Kirby-at-Loser-1974-thanks-to-Cheryl-Putname-Davenport.jpg?w=734&amp;ssl=1 734w, https://i0.wp.com/meminc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Expressions-with-Kirby-at-Loser-1974-thanks-to-Cheryl-Putname-Davenport.jpg?resize=300%2C213&amp;ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 734px) 100vw, 734px" /><p id="caption-attachment-7536" class="wp-caption-text"><em>Expressions with Kirby at Loser 1974, thanks to Cheryl Putnam Davenport</em></p></div><p>Paul: Charlie Dawson and Mike Moloney. And the bands like Garnett Morse and Dayle St. Dennis, Bill Doyle and all those singers whose names escape me right now. Ben Decker doing his best to juggle while the ship was going hard from port to starboard. Absolutely my favorite ship with a great itinerary.</p><p>Kirby: Oh yes, all my friends . Lots of nights in Stanley&#8217;s Pub after my sets were over.</p><p>I loved going to all the places on the cruise ships that I probably never would have gone if not working on this ships. And remember the Stardancer also had the basketball court down in the hold.</p><p>Paul: Oh yes. We could carry 100 full size RVs to go with 1,000 passengers. It was amazing.</p><p>And you are still working after all these years. Quite remarkable my friend. Thanks so much for your time. And as always, it&#8217;s been a blast!</p><p><!-- /wp:fl-builder/layout --></p>								</div>
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